Put Kobe on the Spurs and Manu on the Lakers

[BanditHiro]

I suspect that Duncan would get more assist....he definitely wouldn't be trailing Kobe by almost 2000 assists then...

doubt it since mr 6-24 would miss most of the shots duncan would set up for him.

[SpursDynasty85]

Kobe is surely the more explosive scorer, but Manu is the superior playmaker.

What is the point of making a play? ... To score! Kobe is the better playmaker. Kobe never really had a finisher he could pass to. Now that he has Gasol, everyone got to see his play making abilities and he was awarded the MVP.

The Lakers will be a far, far, FAR better team if they have Manu and that's not to discredit Kobe Bryant or say that Manu is a better individual player than. Manu is just a coach's dream. He finishes well, he's unselfish and he's one of those rare athlete that can help swing a momentum into his teams favor.

Hes way more inconsistent than Kobe. Kobe would improve the Spurs more than Manu would improve the Lakers. Pop wouldn't think twice to trade for Kobe.

[TE]

Manu is a better playmaker than Kobe, but Kobe is the better individual player.


Which is why the Lakers would flourish. Just imagine manu running the show with Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Fish, and all the other role players from the Lakers. It would be showtime once again.

[namlook]

This thread is so full of nonsense and delusion I don't even l don't where to start, so I won't beyond this...

Pop would trade Manu for Kobe in a heartbeat and Phil would never do that trade if each of their goals was to win a championship. That's not to say that Manu is a better individual player....

[Killakobe81]

This thread is so full of nonsense and delusion I don't even l don't where to start, so I won't beyond this...

Pop would trade Manu for Kobe in a heartbeat and Phil would never do that trade if each of their goals was to win a championship. That's not to say that Manu is a better individual player....

That is what i said too ...Phil (mitch) hang up the phone and laugh ...
As much as manu is loved in SA, the spurs say yes and would arrange a first class flight for manu to L.A. ...

[ezau]

I'm still going with my assertion earlier that Manu would make all the role players of the Lakers better.

Kobe is just so talented individually that even if decides to hog the ball, the Lakers are still able to win it.

Personally, I would have been up to this trade five or six years ago when Kobe is hands down the better player.

Just like Kobe, Manu has become the Spurs' main man. They're essentially 1a and 1b in the West as far as SGs go.

At this point though, the difference between Kobe and Manu has become irrelevant. I agree that Kobe is still a better player, but Manu is not that far behind.

At this point in their careers, both have stopped relying on their athleticism. These guys are getting by with skills, experience, and basketball IQ.

The thing about Manu is that he'll be able to fit in almost any kind of system you'll put him in.

In Kobe's case, you need to make sure that he still gets the touches and he remains the main man so he can stay motivated.

[hater]

This thread is so full of nonsense and delusion I don't even l don't where to start, so I won't beyond this...

Pop would trade Manu for Kobe in a heartbeat and Phil would never do that trade if each of their goals was to win a championship. That's not to say that Manu is a better individual player....

you are delusional too if you think Pop would trade Manu for Kobe in a heartbeat. Especially given the way they are playing this season. It would be stupidity.

Both sides would never make that trade but the questions is what if they did.

forgive me but Manu + Gasol is > Kobe + Duncan at this point. may God forgive me.

that advantage plus Phil Jackson + David Stern, would take the lakers slightly ahead.

in the end it's not whos is better Kobe or Manu. It's who is teaming up with a prime Gasol.

[Mike-in-brazil]

thats a niceeeeeee one two punch kobe and tim..
Lakers would still win.
bench....D...size...age

most of the spurs productive players are 30 and up...come playoffs ..when u gota beat the same team serveral times..gets tougher and teams are all playing about 70-80% health....

[Cry Havoc]

The main thing that separates Kobe from Manu in my opinion is durability.

I mean, come on. How scary would Manu be if he played every game all season long for 35+ minutes? Kobe is a better player, but Manu is one of the most effective players in NBA history when he's on the floor. His stats per minute when healthy are Jordan-esque.

He's just aging and he has been hurt a lot in the past. Kobe's had understandably a better career, but even most Lakers fans would say that a healthy, rested, driven Manu is on a tier with Kobe, Durant, and any other top player.

forgive me but Manu + Gasol is > Kobe + Duncan at this point. may God forgive me.

Uhhh, lately I would take a lot of bigs over Gasol. Lately, I would take Brendan freaking Haywood over Pau Gasol. Dude has lost his mojo.

[cheguevara]

most of the spurs productive players are 30 and up... come playoffs ..when u gota beat the same team serveral times..gets tougher and teams are all playing about 70-80% health....

Gasol, Kobe, Odom, Artest, Fisher = all over 30

Epic fail

[Fpoonsie]

No Laker fan would say that. Manu is a decent role player, but you trying to compare a top 5 player against a role player that's not even on the radar.

I actually agree, to an extent. I think he's better than just a simply role player, but he's not on Kobe's level. In top player polls, Manu typically gets rated in the top 20 or so, but I think it has a lot to do w/ how the offense is spread out in the Spurs system. With the way he plays, reckless abandon and whatnot, his durability would prolly quickly become an issue if he was called upon to take the team on his back, day in, day out.

[cheguevara]

a top 5 player

not anymore

they are very comparable as of right now

[Cry Havoc]

No Laker fan would say that. Manu is a decent role player, but you trying to compare a top 5 player against a role player that's not even on the radar.

If the MVP voting were held today, Manu would probably be 3rd or 4th. Kobe would be lucky to be in the top 8.

[Fpoonsie]

Stop reaching, poon. Kobe has been, and is still better than Manu at every aspect of the game. It's not even close.

Uhhh...I'm agreeing with you, more or less.

[Mike-in-brazil]

Gasol, Kobe, Odom, Artest, Fisher = all over 30

Epic fail

take everyone 30 and up off lakers and spurs.....we would murder u all....
Lakers can rest their 30 year olds during the season spurs cant !!!!

think b4 u type!!! or go pull some wish bones !!!

[Fpoonsie]

Lakers can rest their 30 year olds during the season spurs cant !!!!

Odd...considering the Spurs franchise big and foundation for their success is averaging a career low in minutes/game.

[cheguevara]

take everyone 30 and up off lakers and spurs.....we would murder u all....

Brown
vuja
Evans
caracter
Bynum

vs.

Parker
Hill
Anderson
Blair
Splitter



Epic Fail again!

[Barfunk]

thats a niceeeeeee one two punch kobe and tim..
Lakers would still win.
bench....D...size...age

most of the spurs productive players are 30 and up...come playoffs ..when u gota beat the same team serveral times..gets tougher and teams are all playing about 70-80% health....

hmmmmmm..... lets see here......

Lakers main core ages:

Avg age: 30

1.Croby Bryant - 32
2.Kung Pow Gasol - 30
3.Lamar Odem - 31
4.Shannon Brown - 25
5.Ronnie Test - 31
6.Derek Fisherman - 36
7.Mateo Barney - 30
8.Stevie Ray Blake - 30
9.Brynam - 23

Spurs main core ages:

Avg Age: 28

1.Manuel Gino - 33
2.Rony Parko - 28
3.Ritchie JefferSanfordandSon - 30
4.Tim Meh Blumpkin - 34
5. -Heh - 24
6.Matthew Milkboner - 30
7.Road Blair - 21
8.Railroad Trax - 26
9.Master Splinter- 25
10.James Anderson - 21
11.Roll the Dice - 36

Edit: Forgot Dice on Spurs and Bynum on Lakes.

Not far off but the Lakers are older. The media always seem to turn the cheek about the Lakers and Celtics age.

[Cry Havoc]

Manu wouldn't even get a vote in my book. But look who's 8th.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...k-6/index.html

You're better off spamming the board with worthless drivel. Continue on...

Do you really want to post an article about the MVP that has Dwight Howard as the favorite in a way that says you agree with said article?

[Mike-in-brazil]

Brown
vuja
Evans
caracter
Bynum
e.banks

vs.

Parker
Hill
Anderson
Blair
Splitter



Epic Fail again!

include all!!!! and to make it fair u can even date back last 4 seasons...
we still Win oh ok i stand corrected we wont kill...
but were is my epic fail ? we still win the series..

[cheguevara]

include all!!!! and to make it fair u can even date back last 4 seasons...
we still Win oh ok i stand corrected we wont kill...
but were is my epic fail ? we still win the series..

disagree.

Spurs backcourt Parker/Hill > Lakers

Spurs bigmen Blair/Splitter > lakers

how do you win? we still have Neal waiting in the bench, you have nothing

[Rummpd]

Kobe (5th) and Manu (7th) are both top ten ranked players by Hollinger's efficiency standard and Manu is signficantly outshooting Kobe this

year.http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Kobe is the far more accomplished and acclaimed player but this year Manu has been often playing on a plane with him, has been in a statistical measure more clutch (no surprise there go to 5 year trends in NBA: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ame/index.html
Manu is the TRUE Mr. CLUTCH; Manu earned this rank a over 5 year period and Kobe was not even top ten (athough he is when all is said and done, he may not be the true Mr. Clutch but he is Manu's league in that, and last year he was so clutch over and over again for the LAL).


This year by any measure and the "eyeball" test Manu he has definetely been more clutch than Kobe (Manu's plays in a number of wins near the end this year have been brilliant and he single handily willed them to several wins so far) and at times has been better overall as Kobe was not shooting well sitting around 42% for much of the early season. Also, recall that Manu also had a month last year near the end when he was arguebly the best guard in all of basketball.



Tough call although I have always wanted to see how the combo of Duncan and Kobe would have played together for a season. Their games are a perfect match to complement each other and in their primes they would have been even stronger than Shaq/Kobe or Gasol/Kobe especially defensively.

The trio of Kobe/Manu and Duncan would be the best ever period and would still smoke James/Wade and Bosh day in and day out.

Force me to choose and I would have to still trade for Bryant for his historic upside when he is on; but only for next year as I want to see this Spurs team take out the Lakers in the West this season as composed and don't bet against them!

[Barfunk]

It's very, very, simple....

Manu: 20.1ppg, 3.6reb, 5.1ast, 2.0 Stls, 45% FG, 38% 3P on 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA

Kobe: 26.6ppg, 5.4reb, 4.5ast, 1.2 Stls, 44% FG, 30% 3P on 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA

So of course Kobe is "better", but I wonder what Ginobili's stats would look like if he had now or in the past, the green light to take 20-25 shots per game. I'm assuming that Manu's stats would become scrub like? Please do the maff.

[Cry Havoc]

Stop reaching, poon. Kobe has been, and is still better than Manu at every aspect of the game. It's not even close.

Manu: 20.1ppg, 3.6reb, 5.1ast, 2.0 Stls, 45% FG, 38% 3P on 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA

Kobe: 26.6ppg, 5.4reb, 4.5ast, 1.2 Stls, 44% FG, 30% 3P on [B]21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA[/B

Luva getting owned again, as usual.

I bolded the areas where each player is producing more than the other.

Also might want to point out that Manu is clearly the better free throw shooter as well, 91% this year.

[dirk4mvp]

The margin between Manu and Kobe is closer than most people think.

that's the most re ed thing I've read on ST. Congrats.