Put Kobe on the Spurs and Manu on the Lakers

[Rummpd]

that's the most re ed thing I've read on ST. Congrats.

and you are an idiot if you do not believe that - see my post again, Manu has been the true Mr. Clutch in the NBA most of the last decade and in player efficiency is right there with Bryant and is right now outplaying him in many categories.

don't let the media blind you to the facts, Manu is on a plane with Kobe right now and may be slightly better.
That being said I would still take Kobe for at his best he is singularily brilliant but Manu is not far behind.

[dirk4mvp]

manu > = Kobe

got it

[Barfunk]

that's the most re ed thing I've read on ST. Congrats.

It's very, very, simple....

Manu: 20.1ppg, 3.6reb, 5.1ast, 2.0 Stls, 45% FG, 38% 3P on 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA 13 FGA

Kobe: 26.6ppg, 5.4reb, 4.5ast, 1.2 Stls, 44% FG, 30% 3P on 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA 21 FGA

So of course Kobe is "better", but I wonder what Ginobili's stats would look like if he had now or in the past, the green light to take 20-25 shots per game. I'm assuming that Manu's stats would become scrub like? Please do the maff.

manu > = Kobe

got it

whyyyyyy dooooooooooot

[dirk4mvp]

the spurs just win, we don't care about stats.

[Rummpd]

Dear Dallas Fan:

Sorry about the idiot language I also feel by the way that Dirk is also under-appreciated and is the MVP IMO this year and is IMO is in the conversation for not only the greatest NBA player ever to not win a le and there have been a bunch (Charles B., Ewing, Stockton, Malone but Dirk is 7 feet and can shoot over anyone and is simply very, very talented, but also probably the 2nd best greatest international player ever (Hakeem is my choice but Dirk has a strong arguement with weaker for Nash or Manu - but put the Virgin Islands Duncan, granted as a stretch and that is uva starting 5 with "outside the USA roots").

Put Dirk with either Manu or Kobe and he would have had a le by now easily.

[Cry Havoc]

manu > = Kobe

got it

He didn't say Manu was greater than or equal to Kobe. He said that instead of Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manu it's more like Kobe > Manu or >> Manu.

And this season, I don't know how you could even say that. If Kobe's been better, it's been by the slimmest of margins, if at all. Manu with 20+ shots per game would probably be averaging 30 points.

[Cry Havoc]

Real talk, all bull aside. If the Spurs man up and show up to the WCF's this year, and both Kobe and Manu are healthy, would you refuse a trade for Kobe for Manu for that one series.

Actually, I think both teams would be worse if that trade went down. The Spurs need Manu's intelligence and his hustle. They benefit a lot from him working into the rotation. The Spurs are 18-3 right in no small part due to the fact that they have any number of weapons that can due damage in short order. , even Bonner has looked scary at times this year. Manu is fantastic to work in that system, because he doesn't need the ball in his hands to do damage.

Meanwhile, Kobe is perhaps the most perfect fit for the Lakers imaginable. They have a couple of other excellent players in Odom and Gasol, but not a lot of players who can reliably create for themselves. Kobe steps up and takes shot after shot, night after night. I seriously think that before ever game starts, Kobe thinks he's going to go 25-25 with 7 triples.

Bring Kobe into the Spurs and I think you disrupt the natural chemistry and rhythm of the offense... not to mention a group of guys that love playing together. I also think that Manu is better at intangibles than Kobe, like drawing charges, or creating havoc in passing lanes. Manu is a complement to the Spurs because he helps the team in every area that's needed or that we would otherwise be sub-par at. He's streaky, more so than Bryant, but he's also efficient as , when healthy.

Put Manu on the Lakers and suddenly there's a lot of stress on players who aren't used to stepping up to shoot more. Fisher would need to be consistently great, not just a guy who picks his nights to be clutch, which he's unbelievable at doing, a la Horry. Odom would have to be a go-to guy more often, especially if Manu's guarding someone tough and expending more energy on D. I don't think the Lakers, especially sans Bynum, have the talent to get quality looks without Kobe on the court.

If you're referring to on paper, yes, I would definitely consider the trade. But in reality, I think both teams benefit more from having the guy they have. As good as Kobe is, I can't imagine the Spurs without Manu, I feel like we would somehow have a drastic fall-off in a perhaps undefinable area of our game.

[urunobili]

Stop the nonsense Dirk + Manu >>>>>>> TD + Kobe or Gasol + Kobe

[namlook]

Actually, I think both teams would be worse if that trade went down. The Spurs need Manu's intelligence and his hustle. They benefit a lot from him working into the rotation. The Spurs are 18-3 right in no small part due to the fact that they have any number of weapons that can due damage in short order. , even Bonner has looked scary at times this year. Manu is fantastic to work in that system, because he doesn't need the ball in his hands to do damage.

Meanwhile, Kobe is perhaps the most perfect fit for the Lakers imaginable. They have a couple of other excellent players in Odom and Gasol, but not a lot of players who can reliably create for themselves. Kobe steps up and takes shot after shot, night after night. I seriously think that before ever game starts, Kobe thinks he's going to go 25-25 with 7 triples.

Bring Kobe into the Spurs and I think you disrupt the natural chemistry and rhythm of the offense... not to mention a group of guys that love playing together. I also think that Manu is better at intangibles than Kobe, like drawing charges, or creating havoc in passing lanes. Manu is a complement to the Spurs because he helps the team in every area that's needed or that we would otherwise be sub-par at. He's streaky, more so than Bryant, but he's also efficient as , when healthy.

Put Manu on the Lakers and suddenly there's a lot of stress on players who aren't used to stepping up to shoot more. Fisher would need to be consistently great, not just a guy who picks his nights to be clutch, which he's unbelievable at doing, a la Horry. Odom would have to be a go-to guy more often, especially if Manu's guarding someone tough and expending more energy on D. I don't think the Lakers, especially sans Bynum, have the talent to get quality looks without Kobe on the court.

If you're referring to on paper, yes, I would definitely consider the trade. But in reality, I think both teams benefit more from having the guy they have. As good as Kobe is, I can't imagine the Spurs without Manu, I feel like we would somehow have a drastic fall-off in a perhaps undefinable area of our game.

There's no way in the Spurs get worse swapping Manu out for Kobe. That's preposterous. People always talk like this when Manu goes on a good run and plays well. He is a streak player who plays great for a certain stretch of games but he can't sustain it. Inevitably his play declines. This is why he has one all-star appearance in his career. He also plays limited minutes - almost always under 30 minutes a game each season. He played 31 minutes a game one season and the next season his body completely broke down with one injury after another. He can't log big minutes like the superstars and keep playing well and that's one of the big differences between Manu and guys like Kobe and Wade. Lets have this discussion again when Manu goes through his dry spell. We will stop seeing these threads when that happens.

[namlook]

on, I don't know how you could even say that. If Kobe's been better, it's been by the slimmest of margins, if at all. Manu with 20+ shots per game would probably be averaging 30 points.

What so many people don't seem to understand is Manu is not a guy who can play heavy minutes, taking 20+ shots a game for a season and be effective. He plays under 30 minutes a game for his career for a reason. Manu could never be a superstar workhorse like Kobe and Wade have been. He can't physically handle that workload.

[Cry Havoc]

Your lack of understanding of the game and great players is on display here. Great players fit in any system. It doesn't matter what offense, or coach. It doesn't matter what teammates they have, or city they play in. Manu is a great role player. Kobe is a great player, period. If you put Kobe with Shaq, Pau, or Smush Parker, he remains the same, a great player. What doesn't he do in big games? He'll rebound for you, he'll lead you in scoring, he'll guard the other teams best player. His play in the Olympics was a perfect example of the ultimate team player that was willing to play any role, and yet still be recognized as a great player.

Manu on the other hand is not a player that teams have to plan for. In most cases, he's been the Spurs 3rd best player. Adding him to the Lakers would instantly make the Lakers a worse team. It has nothing to do with systems because both of these guys have proven they can play in different systems. Teams fear Kobe, just ask Pop. There are times I don't even know Manu is on the court. You all would love to give the Spurs recent success to Manu, yet he's only doing what he's always done but never got credit for it in the past. Since Duncan's numbers are in the dump, it's convenient to prop up someone else. The Spurs are playing good team ball, and taking advantage of scrub teams... plain and simple.

You put Kobe on the Spurs and they become a better team. You put Manu on the Lakers, and they are not contenders.

Interesting logic. Why did I not hear of the 2004 Lakers going 76 and 6, and sweeping their way through the playoffs? Why are the Heat not undefeated right now? Great players make great teams, right? 4 Hall of Famers should never lose a game playing together. It just isn't possible according to your above statement.

Oh. That's right. Because basketball isn't just about numbers, and your generalizations are completely and totally wrong. I fully admitted there's a chance Kobe makes the Spurs better. That said, it's far from a certainty, especially considering he's been a far less efficient scorer this year.

[Drachen]

Reading this thread (after sifting through the BS in it) is very interesting. About half this thread seems to be an honest to goodness basketball conversation. My opinion has already been expressed by others, and I think the best take comes from Cry Havoc (at least the one I agree with the most), but I am more impressed by the fact that it seems that at least 50% of this thread is a decent basketball conversation. That is probably a record for this forum over the past year and a half or so. Amazing.

[Drachen]

Then why didn't you let it continue instead of bringing your worthless, ty ass take.

I addressed the thread topic, I am sorry you disagree. Maybe you would have a better time in the troll forum. There is a password there so you can talk to your hearts content about whatever non-basketball related stuff it is you try to spout out here, and I won't be there to ruin it for you. I don't have the password so I won't even be able to see it.

[Cry Havoc]

Me personally, I'd never consider Payton a great player.

1999-2000 Season
Gary Payton - 24.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 8.9 assists, 1.9 steals, 2.7 turnovers, 45% from the field, 34% from three.

2010-2011 Season
Kobe Bryant - 26.2 points, 5.4 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 1.2 steals, 3.0 turnovers, 44% from the field, 30.5% from three.

I'll let your statement speak for itself. Payton was 31 when he was putting up these numbers.

[silk]

Guys, ya really need to get a life.........

[SpursDynasty85]

There may have been 10 supertars in the history of the league.

You mean the players that are only recognized by people who look like this---- > ?

[ALVAREZ6]

I honestly think the Lakers would be better. Manu would make the Lakers more efficient, wouldn't jack the amount of shots Kobe does yet still score just about in the same point range in playoff scenarios. He would also create more on the Lakers as Fisher isn't much of a PG, just a big , and he'd find that great Laker bench and role players open all day long. Manu + triangle offense with the Lakers squad would be re ed deadly.

[ALVAREZ6]

Plus, Manu + Gasol could communicate openly on the court in Spanish, directing eachother what to do and the opponents would be clueless.

Oh...actually, it would honestly be smart for the Lakers to trade whatever necessary from their roster to get Manu, without sacrificing Gasol and Bryant. The use of of Spanish + Italian on the court...they'd be unbeatable.

[DAF86]

Your lack of understanding of the game and great players is on display here. Great players fit in any system. It doesn't matter what offense, or coach. It doesn't matter what teammates they have, or city they play in. Manu is a great role player. Kobe is a great player, period. If you put Kobe with Shaq, Pau, or Smush Parker, he remains the same, a great player. What doesn't he do in big games? He'll rebound for you, he'll lead you in scoring, he'll guard the other teams best player. His play in the Olympics was a perfect example of the ultimate team player that was willing to play any role, and yet still be recognized as a great player.

Manu on the other hand is not a player that teams have to plan for. In most cases, he's been the Spurs 3rd best player. Adding him to the Lakers would instantly make the Lakers a worse team. It has nothing to do with systems because both of these guys have proven they can play in different systems. Teams fear Kobe, just ask Pop. There are times I don't even know Manu is on the court. You all would love to give the Spurs recent success to Manu, yet he's only doing what he's always done but never got credit for it in the past. Since Duncan's numbers are in the dump, it's convenient to prop up someone else. The Spurs are playing good team ball, and taking advantage of scrub teams... plain and simple.

You put Kobe on the Spurs and they become a better team. You put Manu on the Lakers, and they are not contenders.

lol complaining about "lack of understanding of the game" and then saying something like that.

[ALVAREZ6]

Your lack of understanding of the game and great players is on display here. Great players fit in any system. It doesn't matter what offense, or coach. It doesn't matter what teammates they have, or city they play in. Manu is a great role player. Kobe is a great player, period. If you put Kobe with Shaq, Pau, or Smush Parker, he remains the same, a great player. What doesn't he do in big games? He'll rebound for you, he'll lead you in scoring, he'll guard the other teams best player. His play in the Olympics was a perfect example of the ultimate team player that was willing to play any role, and yet still be recognized as a great player.

Manu on the other hand is not a player that teams have to plan for. In most cases, he's been the Spurs 3rd best player. Adding him to the Lakers would instantly make the Lakers a worse team. It has nothing to do with systems because both of these guys have proven they can play in different systems. Teams fear Kobe, just ask Pop. There are times I don't even know Manu is on the court. You all would love to give the Spurs recent success to Manu, yet he's only doing what he's always done but never got credit for it in the past. Since Duncan's numbers are in the dump, it's convenient to prop up someone else. The Spurs are playing good team ball, and taking advantage of scrub teams... plain and simple.

You put Kobe on the Spurs and they become a better team. You put Manu on the Lakers, and they are not contenders.

You really love to contradict yourself, don't you?

LMAO, in response to the bold, were you not aware that Manu has won on every level he's ever played? He's won championships in the NBA, in Italy, different cities, different teams, and oh yeah since you brought up the Olympics for Kobe, I'll continue with Manu's side: winning gold in 2004 Olympics, beating Team USA relatively single-handedly. If that performance was one of a role player, then I guess Kobe for most of his career has been the inactive man on the practice squad, using the transitive property from your stupid ass logic.

You're a in moron dude, stick to trolling since it's all you know...but it's also a shame you're apparently failing at that

[LeCrab]

rofl laker fans

manu lead his team to a gold medal..... kobe was the 5th option on his gold medal team....

[ALVAREZ6]

If Manu hasn't demonstrated he can succeed where ever he plays, then no one has.

[Koolaid_Man]

Who is favorite to win a championship? You pair Manu with Gasol and Artest or you pair Kobe with Tony Parker and Tim Duncan. Who has the better team? I'm not asking if it is possible (not discussing contracts) and I fully understand it would never happen. Just answer the ing question.

Pop would himself if he could get Kobe for Manu...Ask the NBA players what they think...oops I think that's already been done and the answer was and still is Kobe Bryant...don't make me repost that please..you a day late and a dollar short.

[namlook]

Plus, Manu + Gasol could communicate openly on the court in Spanish, directing eachother what to do and the opponents would be clueless.

It's already being done.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sp...-On-Court.html

Pau Gasol was raised in Spain. Kobe Bryant speaks fluent Spanish.
So when Kobe wants to tell Gasol to slip a pick or some other strategy on the court without anyone else noticing, then ellos hablan Espanol.

[ALVAREZ6]

It's already being done.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sp...-On-Court.html

Pau Gasol was raised in Spain. Kobe Bryant speaks fluent Spanish.
So when Kobe wants to tell Gasol to slip a pick or some other strategy on the court without anyone else noticing, then ellos hablan Espanol.