Cancun temperature plunges to 100-yr record low

[Yonivore]

"...So global cooling predictions in the 70s amounted to media and a handful of peer reviewed studies..."

My point exactly.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not arguing that ALL scientists believed one way or the other. I saying you're being led around, by the nose, by the popular media.

LOL!!!! You're parroting an incorrect George Will and *I* am the one being led around by the nose media??!?!?!?

Oh thats ing rich!

"You're being led around by the media because the media told me so!"

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[MannyIsGod]

My point exactly.

Good thing you're listening to the scientists and not George "member of the media" Will!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yonivore]

LOL @ suppressed. I don't give a what the media was reporting. This isn't' about media reporting. This is about scientists being right back in the 70s and George Will continuously trying to say that isn't the case and using it as ammunition against today's scientists.

They were right back then and they're right now. 35 years later people are till having trouble believing it. Amazing.

So, you concede the scientists that now say there is no global warming may, in spite of not getting any media attention, be right?

How magnanimous of you.

[MannyIsGod]

Thanks Yonivore. No really, thanks. This thread just became awesome.

[Yonivore]

Good thing you're listening to the scientists and not George "member of the media" Will!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They need an "over my head" emoticon...because, you're totally missing the point.

Anyone else want to take a stab and putting some knowledge to "Dumb Manny?"

[MannyIsGod]

So, you concede the scientists that now say there is no global warming may, in spite of not getting any media attention, be right?

How magnanimous of you.

I concede that the 97% of climate scientists who say the opposite are right. You can continue to grasp for straws however.

[MannyIsGod]

They need an "over my head" emoticon...because, you're totally missing the point.

Anyone else want to take a stab and putting some knowledge to "Dumb Manny?"

I literally LOLed over this. So good.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I love how the GOP mouthpieces around here parrot anything even if it is inconsistent. So now apparently the Earth is cooling but the warming is not caused by CO2 emissions. Make sure you make it home in time to watch the O'Reilly Report.

[Yonivore]

I love how the GOP mouthpieces around here parrot anything even if it is inconsistent. So now apparently the Earth is cooling but the warming is not caused by CO2 emissions. Make sure you make it home in time to watch the O'Reilly Report.

The only thing inconsistent in here is how the people, who were claiming global cooling back in the 70's, are the same claiming global warming in the 90's and 00's.

I'm consistent. I didn't believe them (global cooling alarmists) then (because of the opposition research to which Dumb Manny so helpfully pointed) and I don't believe them (global warming alarmists) now (because of the opposition research [not to mention all the revealed fabrications and misrepresentations of data] to which Dumb Manny refuses to point today.).

[George Gervin's Afro]

I love how the GOP mouthpieces around here parrot anything even if it is inconsistent. So now apparently the Earth is cooling but the warming is not caused by CO2 emissions. Make sure you make it home in time to watch the O'Reilly Report.

yoni's convinced human activities have zero effect on the atmosphere

[CosmicCowboy]

We could always bring back flourocarbons to counterbalance the CO2.

[Yonivore]

yoni's convinced human activities have a negligible, insignificant effect on global climate

There, fixed.

[MannyIsGod]

The only thing inconsistent in here is how the people, who were claiming global cooling back in the 70's, are the same claiming global warming in the 90's and 00's.

I'm consistent. I didn't believe them (global cooling alarmists) then (because of the opposition research to which Dumb Manny so helpfully pointed) and I don't believe them (global warming alarmists) now (because of the opposition research [not to mention all the revealed fabrications and misrepresentations of data] to which Dumb Manny refuses to point today.).

Yonivore believed the scientific consensus in the 70s but he doesn't believe it today.

If you're against global warming then by all means continue on - I just love the inconsistencies in your bull . Go ask George Will what you should believe.

[MannyIsGod]

We could always bring back flourocarbons to counterbalance the CO2.

Not CFCs but there has been recent research about using SO2 in the atmosphere to lower temps but I don't believe it showed it as either viable or likely to succeed.

[Yonivore]

Just quit digging Dumb Manny.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not CFCs but there has been recent research about using SO2 in the atmosphere to lower temps but I don't believe it showed it as either viable or likely to succeed.

Well we could at least kill those pesky phytoplanktons that are giving off CO2

[ChumpDumper]

Careful, "Dumb Manny" (really?). If you keep pantsing yoni like this he'll really let you have it by putting you on ignore.

[Wild Cobra]

Nope. Fortunately scientists get published which puts their science on record. Using the magical powers, we can go back and look at these published materials in order to ascertain what the scientists believe. Sometimes, it involves complex translation of English into English, but it is entirely possible through the concept of magic.

I see.

You believe in revisionist history!

[ChumpDumper]

I see.

You believe in revisionist history!

The ?

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not arguing that ALL scientists believed one way or the other. I saying you're being led around, by the nose, by the popular media.

Yes, the lemmings get lead...

[DarrinS]

Like Manny, I have a lot of faith in those scientists that have published peer-reviewed articles and I take them at their word.


"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." --Kevin Trenberth


"I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data' but in reality the situation is not quite so simple." --Keith Briffa


"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !" --Phil Jones

"Mike,
I presume congratulations are in order - so congrats etc !
Just sent loads of station data to Scott. Make sure he do ents everything better this time ! And don't leave stuff lying around on ftp sites - you never know who is trawling them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20 days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will test it.

We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind. Tom Wigley has sent me a worried email when he heard about it - thought people could ask him for his model code" --Phil Jones

[ChumpDumper]

In which peer reviewed articles do those quotes appear?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Like Manny, I have a lot of faith in those scientists that have published peer-reviewed articles and I take them at their word.


"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." --Kevin Trenberth


"I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data' but in reality the situation is not quite so simple." --Keith Briffa


"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !" --Phil Jones

"Mike,
I presume congratulations are in order - so congrats etc !
Just sent loads of station data to Scott. Make sure he do ents everything better this time ! And don't leave stuff lying around on ftp sites - you never know who is trawling them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20 days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will test it.

We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind. Tom Wigley has sent me a worried email when he heard about it - thought people could ask him for his model code" --Phil Jones

where are the rest of the articles? you cherry picked statements... par for the course..

[DarrinS]

In which peer reviewed articles do those quotes appear?

From emails where they are communicating DIRECTLY with their peers.

If GGAsshole wants the rest of the emails, they are online.