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  1. #76
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    Carlisle has consistently proved that he is not comfortable playing both Caron and Marion together for any extended time. I think he would play Jackson and Marion together, which means Yertles minutes can be cut.

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    You've also got to think, if RC plays Jackson and Marion together, that mean's small ball whenever subs come in to get those 2 out of the game. Mav fan should know that spells disaster. A jjb/jet/beaubois lineup is something im sure dumbass RC would like to throw out there for periods whenever the starters are resting.
    My plan would be to start kidd/roddy/jackson/dirk/chandler and to bring Marion off the bench. And then finish games with Marion in place of Roddy. That way you got size coming off the bench but still a good balance.

    But if Roddy really is French Allah, you might have to let him finish games as well...

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    Iguodala is having a horrible year, and on top of that has missed almost 1/4 of his team's games. Of course the Laker troll thinks he'd be good for Dallas.

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    My plan would be to start kidd/roddy/jackson/dirk/chandler and to bring Marion off the bench. And then finish games with Marion in place of Roddy. That way you got size coming off the bench but still a good balance.

    But if Roddy really is French Allah, you might have to let him finish games as well...
    That is the issue with RC no matter how well french allah plays, we all know when it is crunch time he will always be benched in favor of Terry.

    BTW I love looking at that line up you mentioned.

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    Looks like Marion may be a go for tonight

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    This really isn't a question imo. Jackson is the best option. He is a better all around player than Butler. Like I said, Jax is struggling as the #1 option because he isn't a #1 option. He is probably not a #2 either, but he is better than Butler as the #2 and that is what the Mavs have.

    He does pretty much everything better and can probably be had for cheaper than most other options. He is tough and playoff tested. He is clutch.

    The Mavs, with how they were playing, did not need a huge upgrade. If they got Jax, imo they would be slightly better than they were before the injuries and that puts them in a great spot.

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    This really isn't a question imo. Jackson is the best option. He is a better all around player than Butler. Like I said, Jax is struggling as the #1 option because he isn't a #1 option. He is probably not a #2 either, but he is better than Butler as the #2 and that is what the Mavs have.

    He does pretty much everything better and can probably be had for cheaper than most other options. He is tough and playoff tested. He is clutch.

    The Mavs, with how they were playing, did not need a huge upgrade. If they got Jax, imo they would be slightly better than they were before the injuries and that puts them in a great spot.
    agreed

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    why the would the bobcats trade one of their best 2 in exchange for someone who's done for the season? and even if u got done this deal, s-jax or g-wallace would play no bigger role than caron butler used to play. you never think you have the prettiest wife at home

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    Cap space.

    Also, he doesn't have to play a bigger role. He has to help them maintain. Which he would not doubt accomplish.

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    This really isn't a question imo. Jackson is the best option. He is a better all around player than Butler. Like I said, Jax is struggling as the #1 option because he isn't a #1 option. He is probably not a #2 either, but he is better than Butler as the #2 and that is what the Mavs have.

    He does pretty much everything better and can probably be had for cheaper than most other options. He is tough and playoff tested. He is clutch.

    The Mavs, with how they were playing, did not need a huge upgrade. If they got Jax, imo they would be slightly better than they were before the injuries and that puts them in a great spot.
    stop making lateral moves please. prior to the Haywood+butler deal you & most other mav fans also thought butler as a better player than smokey, and haywood much better than damp. they were upgrades at the time but still not enough to make a difference- 1st round and quit. s-jax would be an upgrade for sure but there's no of way he could be a huge upgrade that they need

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    Once you make Jax feel like the underdog, he can ball. The question is if he's ready to play second banana... it's never always clear with jax that team is the most important thing.

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    stop making lateral moves please. prior to the Haywood+butler deal you & most other mav fans also thought butler as a better player than smokey, and haywood much better than damp. they were upgrades at the time but still not enough to make a difference- 1st round and quit. s-jax would be an upgrade for sure but there's no of way he could be a huge upgrade that they need
    The move the Mavs needed they already made in Chandler. Say what you will, the Mavs are better off now after that Haywood/Butler trade.

    Now they need to maintain/improve if they can.

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    Cap space.

    Also, he doesn't have to play a bigger role. He has to help them maintain. Which he would not doubt accomplish.
    it would be a good move to replace someone who's done for the season with a solid performer, but im not sure if that would be enough to escalate them to lakers level. if they are about to make such minor adjustments, they will have a wide range of targets to choose from. there are many other teams also in search of cap space imo. i'd rather take salmons from bucks instead of a versatile swinger who can turn a cancer anytime.

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    Salmons wouldn't be bad, but they aren't in a position to shed guys for salary imo. They are a playoff team.

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    The move the Mavs needed they already made in Chandler. Say what you will, the Mavs are better off now after that Haywood/Butler trade.

    Now they need to maintain/improve if they can.
    surely your never better off while Brian Cardinal is your No.1 option at PF. Marion plays PF temporarily but he's more of a swinger between SF and PF and his main mission is to drop some hustle points as a 6th or 7th man. Completely overshadowed by the opposing forwards last night, Ilyasova notched 17 rebounds last night which says a lot

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    How about this trade:

    Mavs/Bobcats

    Mavs Get:
    Captain Jack

    Bobcats Get:
    DeShawn Stephenson
    JJ Barea
    Steve Novak

    Outlook for the Mavs:
    J Kidd
    Captain Jack
    Matrix (until Butler returns)
    Dirk
    Chandler

    Say what you want about Captain Jack, but he absolutely steps up his game in the playoffs. He is fearless and he will play defense (he won a ring with the Spurs, so you know he will play defense). The Mavs get a big back court with him and J Kidd. Jack can post up, shoot the 3, and can play the 3. I think him being a 2nd option and on a talented team brings his shooting percentages up too.

    If I'm a Mavs fan, the only way I don't do this trade is because the 3 out going players are expirings so you could possibly fetch a bigger fish than Jack, but this trade allows you to keep both Roddy and Butler (who hopefully will return this year or worst case next year).

    Just my 0.02.

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    A good basketball discussion was taking place till this clown decided to post

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    How about this trade:

    Mavs/Bobcats

    Mavs Get:
    Captain Jack

    Bobcats Get:
    DeShawn Stephenson
    JJ Barea
    Steve Novak

    Outlook for the Mavs:
    J Kidd
    Captain Jack
    Matrix (until Butler returns)
    Dirk
    Chandler

    Say what you want about Captain Jack, but he absolutely steps up his game in the playoffs. He is fearless and he will play defense (he won a ring with the Spurs, so you know he will play defense). The Mavs get a big back court with him and J Kidd. Jack can post up, shoot the 3, and can play the 3. I think him being a 2nd option and on a talented team brings his shooting percentages up too.

    If I'm a Mavs fan, the only way I don't do this trade is because the 3 out going players are expirings so you could possibly fetch a bigger fish than Jack, but this trade allows you to keep both Roddy and Butler (who hopefully will return this year or worst case next year).

    Just my 0.02.
    lol no way the Bobcats do that.

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    Salmons wouldn't be bad, but they aren't in a position to shed guys for salary imo. They are a playoff team.
    bobcats are only 2 games behind, so i'd say they are also a playoff team as well.

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    lol no way the Bobcats do that.
    I'm not so sure about that. They are going nowhere with Jack and Crash (who are both rumored to be on the block). The guys I'm proposing that you guys send out are not only easily replacable (a plus for Dallas), they are also valuable expiring KTs (a plus for the soon to be rebuilding Bobcats).

    I bet you no one thought Kwame's big expiring KT could net the Lakers Gasol. Basketball wise, nobody makes that trade, but financially they would.

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    bobcats are only 2 games behind, so i'd say they are also a playoff team as well.
    Well since they are not currently in the playoffs and have a worse team, I'd say they are not.

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    His fg% this season is right on par with his career average, so it isn't this particular team making him shoot bad imho.
    Ah cool thanks. I like Captain Jack when I see him play, but it's not too often.

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    It's so funny that they will have to spend $20-25MM per year ($50MM including luxury tax) at the five spot to afford one decent center next year (Chandler).
    Its so funny because Haywood is averaging 8.3 million per year and you think Chandler will average 12-17 million a year in his next contract.

    Nice try.

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    Its so funny because Haywood is averaging 8.3 million per year and you think Chandler will average 12-17 million a year in his next contract.

    Nice try.
    TC is twice the player of haywood in terms of stats so he pretty well deserves 12-17 million a year imho

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    tbh Kevin Martins name hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but its been said that the Mavs FO really like him. A Haywood for Martin based deal is possible.

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