Will the Mavs make a trade?

[Harry Callahan]

Its so funny because Haywood is averaging 8.3 million per year and you think Chandler will average 12-17 million a year in his next contract.

Nice try.

My try will not be far off the mark because Tyson Chandlers STARTING POINT on his next contract will be materially more than what your 2nd String Center was given. That is a fact. Mark Cuban tends to fall in love with his own players and competes against himself when contracts come up. In other words he overpays them.

By the way, smart guy, Tyson Chandler is making $12.75MM RIGHT NOW for 2010-11. Do you honestly believe the guy who is being given the most credit for the Mavericks improvement from last year will go into Mark Cuban's office and and ask for a pay cut given the way that owner overpays his players? Get a clue.

[wijayas]

Throw in that piece of Haywood but mavs must get a serviceable big to replace him. Only GM dumb enough to take on Haywood is MJ

[wijayas]

My try will not be far off the mark because Tyson Chandlers STARTING POINT on his next contract will be materially more than what your 2nd String Center was given. That is a fact. Mark Cuban tends to fall in love with his own players and competes against himself when contracts come up. In other words he overpays them.

By the way, smart guy, Tyson Chandler is making $12.75MM RIGHT NOW for 2010-11. Do you honestly believe the guy who is being given the most credit for the Mavericks improvement from last year will go into Mark Cuban's office and and ask for a pay cut given the way that owner overpays his players? Get a clue.

If only he overpaid wisely (i.e. Nash), the Mavs might have secured a championship ring by now. But hey, he is Cubes! He does what he wants with his gazillions.

[wijayas]

lol no way the Bobcats do that.

Don't lose hope yet. The Cats got MJ!!!!!!

[urunobili]

tbh Kevin Martins name hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but its been said that the Mavs FO really like him. A Haywood for Martin based deal is possible.

buckets right on cue

[HeatChamps]

Mavs Butler End of season Another wasted season

[sefant77]

Mark Cuban tends to fall in love with his own players and competes against himself when contracts come up. In other words he overpays them.

Weird, after the signing i read in most of the boards that its a nice solid contract with "just" 41 million guaranteed over 5 years, way less than most of them expected what Haywood could get in this free agent summer. Solid typical center contract in the league.

Of course some idiots that just saw the total numbers (6/55) threw there "lol cuban overpaid" around. And the usual moron writers like Hollinger throwing 55 around just for the bashing.

He play like ass right now but his contract was solid considering his last season and the lack of center. There were plenty of teams last summer that would take him for that price.

By the way, smart guy, Tyson Chandler is making $12.75MM RIGHT NOW for 2010-11. Do you honestly believe the guy who is being given the most credit for the Mavericks improvement from last year will go into Mark Cuban's office and and ask for a pay cut given the way that owner overpays his players? Get a clue.

By the way dumb guy, Tyson Chandler got this contract during his prime. Next summer is a potential lockout, a new CBA, his new contract will go deep into his 30s and he had a terrible injury history the past 3 years.

So who cares that he is making 12.6 million this season. He wont average 10 million on his new contract considering all the facts. Get a clue.

[Muser]

tbh Kevin Martins name hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but its been said that the Mavs FO really like him. A Haywood for Martin based deal is possible.

Do Mav fans want this though?

[sefant77]

If only he overpaid wisely (i.e. Nash), the Mavs might have secured a championship ring by now. But hey, he is Cubes! He does what he wants with his gazillions.

Yes, because Dirk&Nash was a great sucess in Dallas, i lost the count on all the WCF and Finals appearances.

Funny how people think Nash would become the same player he became in Phoenix with staying in Dallas and that Dirk would become the same player he is right now...

[Muser]

The Mavs would have been decimated with Nash defending the likes of Parker/CP3/DWil etc.

[Phillip]

the mavs would have been decimated with nash defending the likes of parker/cp3/dwil etc.

+1

[Harry Callahan]

Weird, after the signing i read in most of the boards that its a nice solid contract with "just" 41 million guaranteed over 5 years, way less than most of them expected what Haywood could get in this free agent summer. Solid typical center contract in the league.

Of course some idiots that just saw the total numbers (6/55) threw there "lol cuban overpaid" around. And the usual moron writers like Hollinger throwing 55 around just for the bashing.

He play like ass right now but his contract was solid considering his last season and the lack of center. There were plenty of teams last summer that would take him for that price.



By the way dumb guy, Tyson Chandler got this contract during his prime. Next summer is a potential lockout, a new CBA, his new contract will go deep into his 30s and he had a terrible injury history the past 3 years.

So who cares that he is making 12.6 million this season. He wont average 10 million on his new contract considering all the facts. Get a clue.

$8.2 MM per year for a guy who can barely get on the floor is a huge personnel mistake on Haywood. You have to get meaningful minutes out of that salary slot. Five more years buddy. Five more years. The guaranteed money to Haywood is $41.8MM through the 2014-15 season. Terrible contract.

Tyson Chandler just turned 28 years old. If he gets through this season, will he let the Mavericks decrease his compensation due to an injury history when he can go to any team? NO! He will be in his early 30s when the contract comes up it if is a five year deal. The next five years will be the prime years for a big man like Chandler. IOW, $20MM per year for the center spot could happen.

No one knows what the CBA will mean in the future - especially you. If things remain similar and the Mavs want to have a defensive anchor after this year, they will have to pay up for Chandler. Without Chandler, this team will not be able to cover up their MTM defensive weaknesses by playing a lot of zone with a backstop.

BTW, your takes are pretty weak. Get your facts straight next time.

[JamStone]

Rip Hamilton for Caron Butler's contract and unconditional first round pick

[BUMP]

Of course it's possible, but I am just going off of what I see. If it comes to the Mavs swinging for the fences, Roddy is not going to be the piece that keeps them from doing a deal.

Would they like to keep him? Sure, I would to. But if they have to make a trade to save their season, and Roddy is the asking price, he is gone.

Potential is nice, but when it comes to rookies, limited minutes and injuries, their value is limited.

Lets put it this way: With what a player like Hill has done over the past couple years, he is much more valuable in a trade at the moment, yet 99% of Mav fans would argue otherwise. The logic applies the same to Roddy, but for some reason (I understand the "fan" love for him and I really like him as a player) the logic does not apply to Roddy.

IMO, Roddy is gone too. Even for a player like Wallace. When you asked earlier if I would do it, I said no because the Mavs were rolling but now they have to make a move to salvage the season and just hope Cubes signs some halfway decent FA point guard in the future.

We unstacked

[nkdlunch]

maybe they can bring Finley out of retirement?

[Fpoonsie]

tbh Kevin Martins name hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but its been said that the Mavs FO really like him. A Haywood for Martin based deal is possible.

Same thing I heard from that friend a' mine that suggested the Melo trade to me pre-Butler injury. What's funny is that, even with all his "connections (post game locker room chats, Donny Nelson's ear, etc"), he doesn't seem to know much more than your typical e-fan...

[Shank]

$8.2 MM per year for a guy who can barely get on the floor is a huge personnel mistake on Haywood. You have to get meaningful minutes out of that salary slot. Five more years buddy. Five more years. The guaranteed money to Haywood is $41.8MM through the 2014-15 season. Terrible contract.

Tyson Chandler just turned 28 years old. If he gets through this season, will he let the Mavericks decrease his compensation due to an injury history when he can go to any team? NO! He will be in his early 30s when the contract comes up it if is a five year deal. The next five years will be the prime years for a big man like Chandler. IOW, $20MM per year for the center spot could happen.

No one knows what the CBA will mean in the future - especially you. If things remain similar and the Mavs want to have a defensive anchor after this year, they will have to pay up for Chandler. Without Chandler, this team will not be able to cover up their MTM defensive weaknesses by playing a lot of zone with a backstop.

BTW, your takes are pretty weak. Get your facts straight next time.

To be fair, they gave that money to Haywood because they didn't know what they were getting out of Chandler. No one expected him to have that sort of impact. And, at the time, that contract amount was about the going rate for a decent starting center in the NBA. If you want a capable center (which Haywood showed he could be when he arrived in Dallas), then you have to pay that amount. Little did we know that Chandler would explode and Haywood would prove to be a contract . We still haven't seen if Haywood will be an asset against bigger, longer teams where you can throw out 2 centers over the course of a game.

[Harry Callahan]

To be fair, they gave that money to Haywood because they didn't know what they were getting out of Chandler. No one expected him to have that sort of impact. And, at the time, that contract amount was about the going rate for a decent starting center in the NBA. If you want a capable center (which Haywood showed he could be when he arrived in Dallas), then you have to pay that amount. Little did we know that Chandler would explode and Haywood would prove to be a contract . We still haven't seen if Haywood will be an asset against bigger, longer teams where you can throw out 2 centers over the course of a game.

That is fair. If the Chandler thing had not happened, then he would be playing a lot more due to the lack of alternatives. Haywood was signed before Chandler became a reality, and FAs with some demand get signed quickly. Haywood may feel slighted for as long as he stays in Dallas because his replacement was acquired before the 2010 season even started.

[Giuseppe]

I was over at PhoenixSuns.net and found this idea:


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They might as well trade VC for the injured Butler and picks/assets. They get financial relief since he is out the remainder of the year anyway, and he has an expiring contract too.]]]

[Roddy Beaubois]

Do Mav fans want this though?

Ehh... its a hard decision.
On one hand Kevin Martin would be the best scorer Dirk has played with in a very long time. But his defense and rebounding are both mediocre.
I don't really like the idea of giving up one of our big man for him, but its looking like we might not have a choice. If they would take Butler for him, I would do that for sure, especially if Butler is done for the year.

[Phillip]

Butler for Yao

do it

[DPG21920]

I would be very happy if the Mavs got RIP. He sucks and is basically Terry with no 3PT shot.

[frodo]

To be fair, they gave that money to Haywood because they didn't know what they were getting out of Chandler. No one expected him to have that sort of impact. And, at the time, that contract amount was about the going rate for a decent starting center in the NBA. If you want a capable center (which Haywood showed he could be when he arrived in Dallas), then you have to pay that amount. Little did we know that Chandler would explode and Haywood would prove to be a contract . We still haven't seen if Haywood will be an asset against bigger, longer teams where you can throw out 2 centers over the course of a game.

why didn't they sign him for a shorter contract with a better basic salary?

[sefant77]

BTW, your takes are pretty weak. Get your facts straight next time.

Mark Cuban tends to fall in love with his own players and competes against himself when contracts come up. In other words he overpays them.

$8.2 MM per year for a guy who can barely get on the floor is a huge personnel mistake on Haywood. You have to get meaningful minutes out of that salary slot. Five more years buddy. Five more years. The guaranteed money to Haywood is $41.8MM through the 2014-15 season. Terrible contract.

That is fair. If the Chandler thing had not happened, then he would be playing a lot more due to the lack of alternatives. Haywood was signed before Chandler became a reality, and FAs with some demand get signed quickly. Haywood may feel slighted for as long as he stays in Dallas because his replacement was acquired before the 2010 season even started.

God, you are a joke.

Dallas had ZERO center at beginning of the FA. There were several teams with capspace at the moment they signed Haywood.

Was 8.3/5 years a bad contract for an above average center? no (Amir Johnson, Drew Gooden, C. Frye, John Salmons, Travis Outlaw etc).

Did they know at this moment they are getting Chandler? No way. Chandler was basically allready traded to Toronto later and Jordan cancelled the deal last minute to deal with Dallas.

Did they know Chandler will be again THAT awesome? Not for sure.

Did they know Haywood would play like ass from the bench? No.

Again, was the contract an error or "overpaying" at the moment they did it? No way.

So maybe just stop trying to rip Dallas for the Haywood signing.

[frodo]

God, you are a joke.

Dallas had ZERO center at beginning of the FA. There were several teams with capspace at the moment they signed Haywood.

instead of letting him leave free it was definitely a good move to keep him, since he looked a useful member of the team at that time and your financial condition was good.

Was 8.3/5 years a bad contract for an above average center? no (Amir Johnson, Drew Gooden, C. Frye, John Salmons, Travis Outlaw etc).

Neither Salmons nor Outlaw is a center imo

Did they know at this moment they are getting Chandler? No way. Chandler was basically allready traded to Toronto later and Jordan cancelled the deal last minute to deal with Dallas.

Did they know Chandler will be again THAT awesome? Not for sure.

Did they know Haywood would play like ass from the bench? No.

Again, was the contract an error or "overpaying" at the moment they did it? No way.

So maybe just stop trying to rip Dallas for the Haywood signing.

haywood was a fine player and was indeed worth 6-7 million a year, but the length of contract turned the signing a horrible one. no team would want to slurp this contract due to its length so he will remain a mav for at least 3 more seasons, as the 3rd or 4th center.

imho they should have signed him for a 2-3 yr deal (with teams option for the 3rd year) then we'd be able to trade him anytime this season or next