Kobe and Duncan's respective rankings on the all-time playoff leaderboards.

[Giuseppe]

Its obvious that Kobe winning his 5th ring really ed up everything for Spurs fans.

That's it. And that's all.

[midnightpulp]

You're en led to your opinion. I don't think rings alone is what differentiate them. I think Malone would have had the rings if he played Duncan-level defense.

Only a moron would use the "rings argument."

It makes no sense to credit a team championship to an individual player.

[Giuseppe]

No.

As long as Laker fan is consistent. If they want to reduce everything to rings, then::::

KC Jones>Bryant
Manu>West

Sure. I got no problem with that. I had no problem with:::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

I wanted 5-4 Kobe, but, I cited 4-3 Duncan, and soldiered on.

[midnightpulp]

That's it. And that's all.

I'm fine and dandy, because I have:

Manu: 3
Zeke/Baylor: 1

[Giuseppe]

Only a moron would use the "rings argument."

It makes no sense to credit a team championship to an individual player.

It's just a mechanism for ball busting.

You all tortured us with it at 4-3 Duncan. It's only right & proper that we strip you down naked and do likewise at 5-4 Kobe.

[Giuseppe]

I'm fine and dandy, because I have:

Manu: 3
Zeke/Baylor: 1

Who's "Zeke" again?

[TheMACHINE]

I'm fine and dandy, because I have:

Manu: 3
Zeke/Baylor: 1

Congratz to Manu.

and Congrats to Kobe for 1-upping Duncan.

[TheMACHINE]

It's just a mechanism for ball busting.

You all tortured us with it at 4-3 Duncan. It's only right & proper that we strip you down naked and do likewise at 5-4 Kobe.

Cully, based on your equation, does this work too?

Kobe 5
Spurs Franchise 4

Thus, Kobe > Spurs Franchise

[midnightpulp]

It's just a mechanism for ball busting.

You all tortured us with it at 4-3 Duncan. It's only right & proper that we strip you down naked and do likewise at 5-4 Kobe.

I wasn't one of those wielding the whip, however.

I'm not a user of the rings argument.

I stay focused on the individual in these comparisons. Like Finals MVPs. And that count is at:::

Duncan: 3
Kobe: 2

[Giuseppe]

I wasn't one of those wielding the whip, however.

I'm not a user of the rings argument.

I stay focused on the individual in these comparisons. Like Finals MVPs. And that count is at:::

Duncan: 3
Kobe: 2

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[midnightpulp]

Cully, based on your equation, does this work too?

Kobe 5
Spurs Franchise 4

Thus, Kobe > Spurs Franchise

Steve Garvey>Angels Franchise, if you want to play that game. He has more Pennants than the entire ty Angel franchise.

[Giuseppe]

Cully, based on your equation, does this work too?

Kobe 5
Spurs Franchise 4

Thus, Kobe > Spurs Franchise

True, but, that one doesn't get their ire like:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

They absolutely loath that one. There are consequences & repercussions to winning an NBA World Championship.

Next time don't get skunked.

[Giuseppe]

Steve Garvey>Angels Franchise, if you want to play that game. He has more Pennants than the entire ty Angel franchise.

Mid, you're makin' an ass of yourself.

- "Go to lunch. Will you please go to lunch?"

- "Williamson" - "Glenngary Glennross"

[xellos88330]

Cully, based on your equation, does this work too?

Kobe 5
Spurs Franchise 4

Thus, Kobe > Spurs Franchise

Come on Sasha...

Spurs Franchise has a load more than Kobe. Add in Holt's rings, Popovich's assistants, bench players, the whole enchilada. Franchise is a business. Therefore all the rings won by the WHOLE franchise should count if you are going to throw in that word.

[midnightpulp]

Mid, you're makin' an ass of yourself.

- "Go to lunch. Will you please go to lunch?"

- "Williamson" - "Glenngary Glennross"

How? My Garvey example is consistent with your logic, as is Sandy Koufax>Cleveland Indians.

[midnightpulp]

Come on Sasha...

Spurs Franchise has a load more than Kobe. Add in Holt's rings, Popovich's assistants, bench players, the whole enchilada. Franchise is a business. Therefore all the rings won by the WHOLE franchise should count if you are going to throw in that word.

He can play that game if he wants. But if he is, he needs to understand and accept:::

Kirk Gibson: 2 rings.
ty Angels franchise: 1 ring

Thus, Kirk Gibson> ty Angel franchise.

[Giuseppe]

Jesus, we took the pickle in the finest tradition at:::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

And you guys were plain spoken and brief about it. No addendums, no qualifiers. Just pure:

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

[midnightpulp]

Jesus, we took the pickle in the finest tradition at:::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

And you guys were plain spoken and brief about it. No addendums, no qualifiers. Just pure:

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

What pickle did you take? You were ing around at Sose's joint when that pickle was being given. You only came 'round here when the going was good, when Kobe was knotted up at 4.

You have no place.

[BanditHiro]

Jesus, we took the pickle in the finest tradition at:::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

And you guys were plain spoken and brief about it. No addendums, no qualifiers. Just pure:

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

lol who the cared about kobe at the time except the kobe fan s that would try to bring him into the discussion. Shaq getting his 4th before Duncan was way more irksome

[Giuseppe]

What pickle did you take? You were ing around at Sose's joint when that pickle was being given. You only came 'round here when the going was good, when Kobe was knotted up at 4.

You have no place.

True.

But, I still took the pickle in essence.

& nonetheless whereas my Lakers Brothers suffer I suffer. Ipso facto when they were stripped naked, bent over and tossed said pickle. I was also done likewise.

- "And that hurts. I wasn't able to go to Flags the next day. I had to sit on a box of frozen peas all day."

- "Jennifer Chek" - "Jennifer's Body"

[BUMP]

Giuseppe

[Giuseppe]

lol who the cared about kobe at the time except the kobe fan s that would try to bring him into the discussion. Shaq getting his 4th before Duncan was way more irksome

I call ass. You f'ers don't give two s about Daddy eclipsing Duncan. It's nothing but a ruse to put us off the scent of Kobe eclipsing not only Duncan, but, also Daddy. You f'ers don't like that one either. I've seen ya's sniffin' Daddy's blow hole.

Don't even start.

[xellos88330]

I call ass. You f'ers don't give two s about Daddy eclipsing Duncan. It's nothing but a ruse to put us off the scent of Kobe eclipsing not only Duncan, but, also Daddy. You f'ers don't like that one either. I've seen ya's sniffin' Daddy's blow hole.

Don't even start.

So, if Duncan beats Kobe in the WCF, and wins his 5th ring. Who is better? Kobe or Duncan?

[Giuseppe]

So, if Duncan beats Kobe in the WCF, and wins his 5th ring. Who is better? Kobe or Duncan?

^In that precise protocol::: Tim Duncan

[midnightpulp]

I call ass. You f'ers don't give two s about Daddy eclipsing Duncan. It's nothing but a ruse to put us off the scent of Kobe eclipsing not only Duncan, but, also Daddy. You f'ers don't like that one either. I've seen ya's sniffin' Daddy's blow hole.

Don't even start.

Cause he ain't a Laker no more.

That's what this all about, has always been about. The Lakers. The best player on the Lakers will always be the biggest villain and subject to ridicule. In the halcyon 3 peat days, it was slights against Daddy's weight and at ude, and today, we're taking Kobe to task for all his deficiencies.

Just the way it works.