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    Here's the Repugs trying to shield pitbull from just criticism for her violent, gun-fetishist/dog-whistle rhetoric

    GOP senator urges media not to talk about Palin’s violent rhetoric

    Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) urged CNN's Candy Crowley Sunday not to mention Fox News' Sarah Palin in connection with the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ).

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/g...lent-rhetoric/
    What an excellent link. I think my favorite thing I found on there was this.
    click the link.
    IS DAILY KOS INVOLVED IN ARIZONA MURDERS? “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!” — eerie Daily Kos hit piece on Gabrielle Giffords just two days before assassination attempt; repeated use of word “dead” in relation to Giffords just 48 hours before she and a dozen others were fired upon. UPDATE: Daily Kos scrubs “dead to me” thread but screengrabs do ent everything; UPDATE: school classmates and former friends describe shooter Jared Lee Loughner as committed Leftist

    There's so much in there to make you have the same beef with Kos as you have with Palin........and you really should. Yes, it may be painful cuz they're on your team, but it's the same none the less. I really don't think either one of these are responsible. Daily Kos and Palin clearly clearly used poor judgement. I'm just tired of this duck season-wabbit season that goes on and frankly will only get worse for the next two years til we, hopefully, get someone competent to run this country.

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    If you walk the path of the fire-breathing ideologue, your shoes might catch on fire. (True story.)

    That said, the reflexive association of Sarah Palin in particular with this ghastly crime strikes me as more than a bit strained. Pretty much like all the attempts to confine responsibility to one side of the political spectrum, so far.
    Of course that's what it is. The tactic is completely transparent. The ones carrying out the work are the low-level lapdogs who have bought into this boring mundane predictable partisan hack game.

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    Um, what? Communism and Anarchism are complete opposites. He lists far more libertarian/anarchocapalistic rhetoric and literature than he does communist or socialist.

    Outside of the manifesto, what does he cite that is left wing?
    You're right, listing Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books, and spouting anti-religious nonsense, none of that is liberal in any way.

    In fact, that would appear to me like he's a card carrying member of the Tea Party [/liberal logic]

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    Why not blame the routine and excessive violence we consume everywhere else in the electronic sensorium (TV/video games/movies)?


    (Political rhetoric comes and goes. Movie quotes and videogame foleys are eternal.)

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    Just take 10 minutes to read the comments section on any article dealing with this tragedy and you will see that the vitriol and hatred is out in full force - on BOTH sides! But the bottom line is that the only person responsible for this horrendous act is Jared Loughner. No one bought the gun for him or forced him to go to this event. In fact, the Sheriff said Loughner was actually invited to this event by Giffords. He, and he alone, decided to bring a gun and settle his grievances with violence. And he was hoping to go out in a blaze of glory so he wouldn't have to face the consequences of his actions. Hopefully, we'll be able to get some sort of idea of his motivation - but he sounds pretty messed up and he doesn't make much sense. But until we learn more about this - I think it's pretty irresponsible for ANYONE to start placing blame anywhere but on the shooter.

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    Doesn't seem strained to me...
    The right wing doesn't have an exclusive on hate or revenge fantasies. The crosshairs you posted upstream reveal at least that much.

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    Mark Potak about had an orgasm yesterday tieing this into extreme right wingers. lol that guy

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    FCM and others spewing the bull , yet another false equivalence in the interest of being "objective", that's there's equal amount of violent, inflammatory rabble-rousing rhetoric on the left and right.

    It's really the right-wingers claiming that they are no more violent than the Dems.

    I don't see Dems carrying weapons to political rallies, or shouting down town hall speakers, or intimidating vote re-counters, or talking about 2nd Amendment remedies, or "taking people out", or needing to overthrow govt or etc, etc.

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    (The theme of malakismenos does not so much lurk in dark corners of this forum, as display itself proudly.)
    Last edited by Winehole23; 01-09-2011 at 04:29 PM.

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    Question: How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy an assault weapon?

    The weapon reportedly used in the mass murders in Tucson was an assault weapon -- a Glock 19, semi-automatic pistol, with an extended magazine. That weapon was illegal to sell in the US from 1994 to 2004 under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. It is now legal to sell and own. The National Rifle Association reports there are tens of millions of assault weapons in private hands in the US.

    In one year, guns murdered 17 people in Finland, 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 60 in Spain, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States according to the Brady Campaign.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-q...tml?view=print

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    So a semi-auto mid-sized 9mm handgun is an ASSAULT WEAPON??? It takes 2 seconds to switch out mags. Stock mags for the Glock 19 hold 15 rounds (10 if you are in Cali). The 30+ mag is ridiculous, but doesn't make that much of a difference if a psycho has them over stock mags.

    Glock 19 is also the #1 gun for conceal carry.

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    In one year, guns murdered
    Inanimate objects don't murder people.

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    I have no doubt we'd have 10,000 murders a year by knives and baseball bats if there was no access to guns. To blame inanimate objects instead of recognizing we have a ed up public is ridiculous. It's in our culture to just say " everyone else, I'm getting mine" from our citizens on up to our kill-happy government.

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    Question: How does a mentally unstable man who was kicked out of school and had run-ins with the law buy an assault weapon?

    The weapon reportedly used in the mass murders in Tucson was an assault weapon -- a Glock 19, semi-automatic pistol, with an extended magazine. That weapon was illegal to sell in the US from 1994 to 2004 under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. It is now legal to sell and own. The National Rifle Association reports there are tens of millions of assault weapons in private hands in the US.

    In one year, guns murdered 17 people in Finland, 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 60 in Spain, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States according to the Brady Campaign.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-q...tml?view=print
    how do people buy illegal drugs

    their is a black market
    you idiot

    I guess boutons wants more laws

    he wants the gov to give people permsion to breath

    he is forgetting why the USA WAS FOUNDED

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    You're right, listing Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books, and spouting anti-religious nonsense, none of that is liberal in any way.

    In fact, that would appear to me like he's a card carrying member of the Tea Party [/liberal logic]
    Since when is Mein Kampf some type of liberal book? You want to go down the list of his favorite books and see how many are liberal? This is just idiocy.

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    the fact that she is Jewish may have something to do with it, but probably not because he identifies with nazis. Rather, I think it was because he appears to be obsessed with financial conspiracies, which are often seen as part of a Jewish cabal by people who buy into them.
    I agree but again, very few congress people put them self out in the open. I simply think he would have targeted any of them that were easy to target.

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    Let me be clear, none of what happened yesterday was the result of conservative principles. It doesn't mean a desire for smaller government is wrong. It doesn't mean the GOP is a worse choice than the Democrats. It is not in any way a strike against anything conservatives believe. I've stated this before in this thread, but it probably needs to be continuously stated.

    That being said, there was a reason the alert from extreme right wing terrorism was issued in the past and this is an extreme embodiment of it. There is a lot of anger at the Tea Party rallies and while I"m sure the vast majority of people at those events would never consider any action like this, I do believe there is a segment of that group that is capable of far more radical action.

    When that alert was issued, the right took it extremely offensively. They took it as a political opportunity to once again play the victim at the hands of big government. Well, it turns out that wasn't the case.

    Yeah, there are definitely nut cases in every political sector and there is no denying that. Liberal eco terrorists and the like are out there. But in today's political climate where the Tea Party amasses and groups large numbers of angry people who are extremely anti government there needs to be a more responsible approach to the rhetoric. Comparing the current Democratic administration to Hitler (Sup, AHF. BTW Hitler very much was against socialism - how liberal of him), acting as though our government is out to get us, and generally using hyperbole in an incredibly irresponsible fashion is something that needs to be reconsidered at the very least.

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    No way do these compare to conservative talk radio. They are more to the middle. Since conservative talk radio became a mainstream information machine for conservatives, politics has become more divided with hatred.

    You saying these shows lean left as the right wing conservative talk shows lean right?
    I'm saying they are left of center, some more than others, which leaves the rest of the population needed those who are to the right.

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    And while we don't know if he was ever active in the Tea Party scene, I don't see how that changes anything I said above.

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    You live in a box. You twist facts and your thoughts in a way you want to see them.
    You are the pathetic loser.
    Are you defending that slandering idiot?

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    I have no doubt we'd have 10,000 murders a year by knives and baseball bats if there was no access to guns. To blame inanimate objects instead of recognizing we have a ed up public is ridiculous. It's in our culture to just say " everyone else, I'm getting mine" from our citizens on up to our kill-happy government.
    baseline bum

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    Yep, just what our government is becoming.
    You mean when our government talks about "shock and awe" to effect regime change? I agree with you.

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    Well, pish-posh, they'd never lie.
    Not according to local or state authorities either.

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    What an excellent link. I think my favorite thing I found on there was this.
    click the link.
    IS DAILY KOS INVOLVED IN ARIZONA MURDERS? “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!” — eerie Daily Kos hit piece on Gabrielle Giffords just two days before assassination attempt; repeated use of word “dead” in relation to Giffords just 48 hours before she and a dozen others were fired upon. UPDATE: Daily Kos scrubs “dead to me” thread but screengrabs do ent everything; UPDATE: school classmates and former friends describe shooter Jared Lee Loughner as committed Leftist

    There's so much in there to make you have the same beef with Kos as you have with Palin........and you really should. Yes, it may be painful cuz they're on your team, but it's the same none the less. I really don't think either one of these are responsible. Daily Kos and Palin clearly clearly used poor judgement. I'm just tired of this duck season-wabbit season that goes on and frankly will only get worse for the next two years til we, hopefully, get someone competent to run this country.
    Was it some random poster or Kos/a regular author on the site?

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