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    I just want a player named STANKO on this team. I mean, c'mon, that's worth at least 2 playoff wins with Jason Terry thinking he just shart himself upon hearing his name.

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    First of all, the forumn is full of people claiming Splitter was a superstar in Europe. He was either the best player in Europe, or the best center in Europe. That is what 90% of this forum has claimed for a LONG TIME.

    Secondly, Splitter was never one of the best talents in Euroleague. I have no idea where you would ever come up with that if you actually do watch Euroleague/ Let me guess, Rudy Fernandez and Ricky Rubio were/are also "best talents in Europe" right?

    Seriously, anyone that really did follow Euroleague would never claim Splitter was one of the top talents in Euroleague.

    Look at Baskonia's team last season. Every one of these players is more talented than Splitter.

    Marcelos Huertas
    Mirza Teletovic
    Fernando San Emeterio
    Lior Eliyahu


    After that, Splitter was in the same category as Stanko Barac, Carl English, and Walter Herrmann more or less on that team. No way in was he as talented, nor did he ever at any point in his entire Euroleague career show he was as talented as

    Marcelos Huertas
    Mirza Teletovic
    Fernando San Emeterio
    Lior Eliyahu

    On his own team, there were 4 players that are clearly more talented than him. So how the could Splitter be one of the most talented players in Euroleague. AT BEST, he was the 5th most talented player on his own team in Spain.
    Now let's start with Teletovic. Teletovic is a talented guy who lives behind the arc and he's a selfish player. He can not play as a front-court player in NBA with his current abilities.

    Huertas is a teammate of Splitter in Brazilian National Team. But he's a guard and I don't understand why you compare him with Splitter.

    Eliyahu has no strength to be a front-court player in NBA. He was playing in the same team with Splitter and he was coming from bench while Splitter is starting. He's also not younger than Splitter and it's another meaningless comparision.

    San Emeterio is also guard/forward and I didn't understand why you compare him with Splitter.

    I agree you that some of European players such as Rudy Fernandez and Ricky Rubio are overrated too much. Honestly I never like Rudy Fernandez in Europe and didn't find Rick Rubio as an extraordinary talent. I don't think that Rubio will be a star in NBA because it's not easy for a guy who wants to be a guard in NBA and don't have neither upper body nor athletic talent.

    But Splitter is not one of this guys. Do you know Semih Erden, rookie in Boston Celtics? He was one of the most idiot players in Europe he has nearly 0 basketball IQ. We were laughing to him whenever he plays. He doesn't know defensive schemas, he can not stay out of foul trouble etc. But now he's playing Celtics and it's a quite shock for the fans in Turkey. If Semih Erden can play in Celtics, it's obvious that Splitter deserves a chance to play in Spurs.
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    little buddy, D-League is on the same level of BRAZILIAN LEAGUE, or similar.

    the example is Marcus Vinicius, he played one season in D-League, scored 17PPG, and now in Brazil he's making 19,3PPG.
    Please, stop putting numbers in front of this KBP grecian.

    He can't read them.

    He is grecian.

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    is manu_forever kbp? lol
    Don't you just smell that inescapable scent of grecian idiocy?

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    Look at Baskonia's team last season. Every one of these players is more talented than Splitter.

    Marcelos Huertas
    Mirza Teletovic
    Fernando San Emeterio
    Lior Eliyahu


    After that, Splitter was in the same category as Stanko Barac, Carl English, and Walter Herrmann more or less on that team. No way in was he as talented, nor did he ever at any point in his entire Euroleague career show he was as talented as

    Marcelos Huertas
    Mirza Teletovic
    Fernando San Emeterio
    Lior Eliyahu

    On his own team, there were 4 players that are clearly more talented than him. So how the could Splitter be one of the most talented players in Euroleague. AT BEST, he was the 5th most talented player on his own team in Spain.


    Splitter is also less talented than Lionel Messi at playing soccer, and less talented than Wilkinson at playing rugby!

    It took what, 20' to write this crap?
    Who is paying your bills, parasite?

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    Honestly I never likes Rudy Fernandez in Europe and didn't find Rick Rubio as an extra ordinary talent.
    For Rubio, you have to consider how young he was when the hype started.
    As a 15 yo pro or a 17 yo player in the Olympics he was an extra ordinary talent.

    Now he is 20 and not much improved but there is not so much hype anymore.

    But this is not new. A lot of very young players have been considered the next big thing and never lived up to the expectations.

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    manu_forever, seriously, why have you made it a personal mission to lead the crusade against the opinions people have about splitter? You've been preaching your gospel here about how you knew he sucked in Europe long ago for a while, and its getting old now.

    You want to use the term "nut huggers" in regards to the people praising him, but you come off as riding splitters way harder..you seem like a woman scorned, like if Tiago cornholed you, and didnt call you the next day.
    Because his life is so frigging empty and useless.

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    The ACB is a secondary league genius. It's like being the MVP of the NBA D-League. This has been explained about 500 times here and yet you continue to troll this site.

    NBA MVP = legit

    Euroleague MVP = legit

    ACB MVP = D-League MVP
    Do you guys now understand why Europe had to bail out Greece?

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    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...-playing-time/

    Regarding Splitter and his frustration with lack of playing time and Pop's response.

    http://www.48minutesof .com/video...-antonio-spurs



    http://www.poundingtherock.com/2010/...couting-report

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/draft/1225865

    (The cbssports.com one had some positives and negatives)

    http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010...er-40-million/

    (Was rated best contract in NBA under 40 million)

    However, with all of that said, which was the best signing under $40 million during free agency? As the bargains that came later during this period, the best contract has had time gone by (three years) before it was finally signed. The player is/was the best in his league and helped his team win a championship. He’s been a hot basketball commodity since he was 15-years-old and has had international success.

    I’m talking about Tiago Splitter (three years/$10.9 million), finally joining the San Antonio Spurs, much to their fans’ delight.

    Splitter, the 6’11, 235 pound center from Brazil was drafted by the Spurs in the 2007 NBA Draft with the 28th pick of the first round even though he was still under contract with his Spanish ACB League team, Tau Ceramica. He previously declared for the draft in 2004, 2005, and 2006, but withdrew each time. Despite being drafted in 2007 by the NBA champion Spurs, Splitter signed a two-year extension in 2008 with his Spanish team, eventually opting out after this past season where he was both the season MVP and Spanish ACB championship series MVP, leading Caja Laboral Baskonia (formerly Tau Ceramica) in a sweep over FC Barcelona.

    The thinking coming into signing Splitter was that the Spurs would need to use their full mid-level exception (MLE; about $6 million), which would have handicapped the Spurs from making many more quality moves to fill out their roster. Obviously, it didn’t take that to bring Splitter across the Atlantic, which adds more value to the contract that he signed. Plus, a regular season and championship MVP with prolific experience in international compe ion; how could you go wrong with that contract in both length and dollars? However, here are more reasons why Splitter’s is the best 2010 NBA contract this summer.

    It was ten years ago that Splitter’s journey to basketball greatness began when Tau Ceramica signed the then 15-year-old to its team, but loaning him out to Araba Gorago Alava of the EBA League for the 2000-01 season and then to Bilbao Berri in the LEB for the 2001-02 and 2002-03 seasons. In the 2003-04 season, Splitter joined the senior Tau Ceramica team and over the course of his decade-long experience as a professional basketball player, Splitter has won many awards, honors, and championships, usually younger than his compe ion.

    Splitter comes into the NBA a lot more mature and polished than other NBA rookies and dependent on playing time, should contend for NBA Rookie of the Year honors. One reason why Splitter delayed his debut in the Association is that he wanted to improve his game. Looking at his Player Efficiency Rating (PER) since 2007, he obviously did (note that a PER of 15 is considered that of the average NBA player):

    2007-08 (Tau Ceramica; ACB): 23.5
    2007-08 (Tau Vitoria; Euro): 26.9
    2008-09 (Tau Ceramica; Euro): 24.8
    2008-09 (Tau Ceramica; ACB): 26.4
    2009-10 (Caja Laboral; Euro): 21.1
    2009-10 (Caja Laboral; ACB): 26.7

    Maybe Manu_Forever is right but maybe not - time will tell how good and how valuable Splitter is - most scouting reports you can find still on the web on this quy were very positive but some flaws were pointed out. Perhaps he was somewhat over-rated but he still has an upside and could really blossom if Pop does not kill his enthusiasm IMO.

    The biggest thing that frustrates me is that for his flaws Splitter has not been given a chance to play his potentially more natural position of PF with Duncan adopting the center position as the one thing Splitter can do is pass and set pick and rolls. When Splitter has looked good or at least relatively good out there he is often with Blair where Splitter sets up more outside the paint area IMO.

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    For those that are not familiar with Kill_Bill_Pana, now posting as Manu_Forever, you can see some of his best work here:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2510298

    After an epic meltdown when Spain defeated Greece in last summer's World Championship, KBP slipped away only to reappear as the troll we now know as Manu_Forever. KBP was not banned, but he couldn't start threads or post in the Spurs forum, thus the change in username.

    The end for KBP came in this thread:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...=162008&page=5

    See the last page for his final posts under his original persona' it's funny stuff. The final post:

    Kori can you answer please? Tell me what i did wrong and will apologize and I promise I will not do this again. Please allow me back to edit posts and make threads.

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    Now let's start with Teletovic. Teletovic is a talented guy who lives behind the arc and he's a selfish player. He can not play as a front-court player in NBA with his current abilities.

    Huertas is a teammate of Splitter in Brazilian National Team. But he's a guard and I don't understand why you compare him with Splitter.

    Eliyahu has no strength to be a front-court player in NBA. He was playing in the same team with Splitter and he was coming from bench while Splitter is starting. He's also not younger than Splitter and it's another meaningless comparision.

    San Emeterio is also guard/forward and I didn't understand why you compare him with Splitter.

    I agree you that some of European players such as Rudy Fernandez and Ricky Rubio are overrated too much. Honestly I never likes Rudy Fernandez in Europe and didn't find Rick Rubio as an extra ordinary talent. I don't think that Rubio will be a star in NB because it's not easy for a guy who wants to be a guard in NBA and don't have neither upper body nor athletic talent.

    But Splitter is not one of this guys. Do you now Semih Erden, rookie in Boston Celtics? He was one of the most idiot players in Europe he has nearly 0 basketball IQ. We were laughing to him whenever he plays. He doesn't know defensive schemas, he can not stay out of foul trouble etc. But now he's playing Celtics and it's a quite shock for the fans in Turkey. If Semih Erden can play in Turkey, it's obvious that Splitter deserves a chance to play in Spurs.
    It's worthless wasting time to argue with KBP using logic, knowledge and tangible information, he's not here for that and he won't get into a discussion with anyone who actually knows and has seen the aforementioned 4 players, because he doesn't know about them and won't engage in a discussion with someone who does. He only uses such players as reference when disputing with people who are not familiar with FIBA/Euro basketball, so that he appears to sound like he knows anything. In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if he's ever watched any of these 4.

    Just troll him, he's a boxing dummy.

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    wow, can't believe the hate on Splitter. Maybe be Robinson needs to work with him in the offseason the way akeem worked with howard. Give the guy a chance, i noticed that he misses alot when he flips the ball up instead of dunking it. Hopefully he'll get better.

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    This is another perfect example of BS hype that is purely made up. He did NOT lead Baskonia to the Spanish championship. That is the kind of crap that people write which is untrue and creates all this ridiculous nonsense hype and absurdly unrealistic expectations.

    The TRUTH is that he road the coattails of Marcelo Huertas, Mirza Teletovic, and Fernando San Emeterio to the Spanish le. It was San Emeterio that "led" Baskonia to the Spanish championship, NOT Splitter. Splitter was just a role player. But then some idiot writers make up this BS and every American believes it. And no matter how many times you explain that it isn't true, they don't believe it.

    According to US media, Ricky Rubio is the greatest Euroleague player in history. The truth is that he is considered to be barely even an average player in Europe. US sports media can never ever be used as a trustful source about anything related to European basketball, but Americans not only trust US sports media about European basketball, they actually believe every word it says about it.


    It's a US sportwriters conspiracy led by Spurs scouts, THOSE THAT NEVER GO TO GAMES (your words), that led ACB to name TIAGO SPLITTER as MVP of the Finals.



    San Emeterio!




    iT'S ALL A conspiracy

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    For those that are not familiar with Kill_Bill_Pana, now posting as Manu_Forever, you can see some of his best work here:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2510298

    After an epic meltdown when Spain defeated Greece in last summer's World Championship, KBP slipped away only to reappear as the troll we now know as Manu_Forever. KBP was not banned, but he couldn't start threads or post in the Spurs forum, thus the change in username.

    The end for KBP came in this thread:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...=162008&page=5

    See the last page for his final posts under his original persona' it's funny stuff. The final post:



    That pretty much summarizes a WHOLE -worthless- life, right there.

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    It's worthless wasting time to argue with KBP using logic, knowledge and tangible information, he's not here for that and he won't get into a discussion with anyone who actually knows and has seen the aforementioned 4 players, because he doesn't know about them and won't engage in a discussion with someone who does. He only uses such players as reference when disputing with people who are not familiar with FIBA/Euro basketball, so that he appears to sound like he knows anything. In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if he's ever watched any of these 4.

    Just troll him, he's a boxing dummy.
    right there.

    A boxing dummy that has made a BIG mistake.

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    I agree about Rubio and Fernandez. They are not even good players. Rudy is average and Rubio is barely even that. I just disagree about Splitter.

    I have already said that Splitter can help the Spurs and would be a good backup center. Personally I think he is better than McDyess is. But the simple fact remains that you ARE overrating him.

    Those 4 players on Baskonia are all more talented than him whether you can grasp it or not is irrelevant. As for Semih Erden that is another good example. He was one of many centers in Euroleague that were better than Splitter.

    What you don't seem to understand is that Splitter is a system player and in Baskonia he played in a system that allowed him to get about 5 wide open dunks/layups every game and that allowed him to guard pick and roll and not have to deal with any post defense. He had athletes and rebounders around him.

    Every single offense was created by guys like Huertas and San Emeterio. Splitter basically just had to defend the pick and roll, defend face up bigs and finish a wide open dunk or layup. That was the entire extent of his job.

    Did he EVER do anything more than that? No.

    Erden might be an idiot that was always in foul trouble, but he was always capable of grabbing a rebound from someone, or guarding someone in the low block. Things that essentially were always a bit difficult for Splitter.

    The simple fact is that just about any decent center can play in the Baskonia system, which is exactly why Barac and now Batista already outperform Splitter in the center role on that team this year.

    You don't seem to grasp that Splitter played with world class pick and roll players like Prigioni (before last year) and Huertas, a point that could create anything imaginable for him in Huertas, a guy like San Emeterio that took all the big shots, made all the needed baskets, carried the team game after game, etc.

    Then a guy like Eliyahu who could control the rebounds and a guy like Teletovic who could hit any long distance shot you could think of. That was the team around him and they did all the skills work. All Splitter ever did was defend pick and roll and finish wide open dunks and layups - he was the working big body role player. That's it.

    And that is what is so freaking hilarious about the fact that people here think he was the best player in Europe. Once again, Splitter in Euroleague was the same thing Jeff Foster is in the NBA.

    He can be a nice backup 4/5 for the Spurs, but let's get real here. The expectations and hype are insanely absurd regarding him. Just the same as they are/were with Fernandez and Rubio, who were never even that good in Europe, especially Rubio, who basically could even be considered a bad player.

    The problem is that the American fans here can't grasp that. They base everything on draftexpress.com and hype from morons like Sean Elliott. Then you have the trolls like temujin come in and make up a bunch of crap.

    Thus, the Spurs fan base thought Splitter was some great player (better than Scola was the belief here), when he was always going to just be a solid role player.

    I think you and I are in general agreement, it's just that I think you are forgetting to consider that in Baskonia Splitter played in a system that is designed to inflate stats. It's basically the Phoenix Suns of the Euroleague, and the stats that get inflated the most in that team are the center stats, due to the point guard play and pick and roll.

    I am not saying that Batista and Barac are great centers or anything. They could both play in the NBA, but they are nothing special. The point is that they have better stats than Splitter did playing in the same team. They had no problem replacing him with 2 guys that are as good or better.

    Yet, the Spurs fan base was totally convinced by 100% that Splitter was "the best center in Europe". I am sorry, but I don't think he was even a top 10 center in Europe.

    I do think Splitter will be fine and will help the Spurs and he does need to play more to get comfortable. But nonetheless, he is ridiculously overrated in this forum.


    It's actually a good excercise for my abdominal muscle.

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    It's actually a good excercise for my abdominal muscle.

    This guy is beyond recovery even through pharmacological means.

    Very nice exercise!

    everyday when i'm boring, I come to spurstalk forum for read Manu_Forever posts, thats make me laugh, happy, is good for mental e health.

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    So manu_forever aka KBP finally took some English lessons? It shouldn't be hard to find in Mountain View, Arkansas.

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    Mr. Manu-Forever:

    You may in the end be right as for some reason you seem to know everything about Euro basketball (my personal own limited Eurobasketball experience is watching 6 or so games in Lithuania and Germany when I was a public health doctor over there and the one thing I like about Splitter is he is not one of those run out to the three point line types) but right now the bottom line is that when he has been able to play - Splitter's PER is right up there with other Spurs big men other than Duncan and he has acutally outshot many PFs in the leauge above him using TS%. He also draws charges, and at least does not run away from contact and is also a good passer. Sure he has apparent flaws and may have been somewhat over-rated but the guy's basketball IQ is higher than you give him credit for and I firmly believe Pop will do this guy and the team right - it may take longer than expected but for the amount the got this guy for he is actually a real steal - find other more potentially better same size young bigs for the same dollars with the same basketball IQ, and start the argument there not retroactively. I for one, am very happy Splitter is a Spur and believe he will eventually produce at a level that will be far beyond what some of the haters on this site think. Splitter to me has shown nothing but class with his acceptance of his role publically while he shared his concern with playing time - he has not dissed Pop or any other teammate.

    If you know of the best and credible sites for Euro player evaluations - share them with the rest and I for one welcome your opinion which may in the end be shown right, but in fairness you sound a little bit over the top in your disdain of Splitter.

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    KBP is quite possibly the best troll ever....


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    gotta say KBP with the goods

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    Those 4 players on Baskonia are all more talented than him whether you can grasp it or not is irrelevant. As for Semih Erden that is another good example. He was one of many centers in Euroleague that were better than Splitter.
    Sorry but I stopped reading after this comparision. If you are intertested with Euro basketball and analyze that Semih is better center then Splitter; there is no need to argue.

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    I merged your seven threads
    What is point of this thread?
    I'm not sure. Why don't you start a thread to ask?

    Oops.
    Why can i not edit my posts?
    Why can I not make threads? What is this?

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    Mr. Manu-Forever:

    You may in the end be right as for some reason you seem to know everything about Euro basketball (my personal own limited Eurobasketball experience is watching 6 or so games in Lithuania and Germany when I was a public health doctor over there and the one thing I like about Splitter is he is not one of those run out to the three point line types) but right now the bottom line is that when he has been able to play - Splitter's PER is right up there with other Spurs big men other than Duncan and he has acutally outshot many PFs in the leauge above him using TS%. He also draws charges, and at least does not run away from contact and is also a good passer. Sure he has apparent flaws and may have been somewhat over-rated but the guy's basketball IQ is higher than you give him credit for and I firmly believe Pop will do this guy and the team right - it may take longer than expected but for the amount the got this guy for he is actually a real steal - find other more potentially better same size young bigs for the same dollars with the same basketball IQ, and start the argument there not retroactively. I for one, am very happy Splitter is a Spur and believe he will eventually produce at a level that will be far beyond what some of the haters on this site think. Splitter to me has shown nothing but class with his acceptance of his role publically while he shared his concern with playing time - he has not dissed Pop or any other teammate.

    If you know of the best and credible sites for Euro player evaluations - share them with the rest and I for one welcome your opinion which may in the end be shown right, but in fairness you sound a little bit over the top in your disdain of Splitter.


    Just ask him about the shape of the ball basketball is being played.

    You'll be surprised by the answer.

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