Pic request: Definitive Non Goaltending Pic of Dice

[LakerHater]

Can anyone provide either a direct overhead shot or a sharp baseline angle picture/video that definitively refutes any Laker fan's argument of Mcdyess' tip-in as a goaltending? Thank you in advance.

Maybe these help:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=104

[TampaDude]

That was not goaltending...not even close...had nobody touched it, the ball would have completely missed the rim coming down, and Dice's hand was well clear of the cylinder. BTW, also notice how Dice smartly pulls his hand back quickly after tipping the ball, thereby ensuring his hand was not in contact with the ball when time expired. Dice had the perfect touch on that one. He's a crafty veteran, and I'm glad he's on our team.

[024]

does the ball have to be clear of the cylinder or just the player's hands? because that ball was not out of the cylinder.

[TampaDude]

does the ball have to be clear of the cylinder or just the player's hands? because that ball was not out of the cylinder.

Honestly, it's whatever the refs decide.

[024]

Honestly, it's whatever the refs decide.

lol yeah i'm not debating it, i'm just wondering what the official rule is.

[Mel_13]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList

For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.

[TampaDude]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList

For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.

Like I said...

[024]

it also says the player must not "Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder." very confusing.

[TampaDude]

it also says the player must not "Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder." very confusing.

By within, I believe they mean totally within or at least mostly within. Because no two shots are exactly the same, the rules leave it up to the refs as a judgment call.

[024]

i guess that makes sense.

[m33p0]

To the OP more power to you, while i know others mean well by saying ignore the Laker s, it's still nice to have proof positive to shut them up and send them scurrying.


I honestly know that Gasol pulled Dyss down on the out of bounds play with 4 seconds left. As Gasol himself fell to the floor, he knew he had no chance to stop Dyss so simply wrapps his arm around Dyss and pulls him off balance and down. No call of course. Check it out.

i can't tell if you're serious or not. hopefully, for your sake, you aren't.

[awktalk]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList

For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.

That ball had no chance of going it unless Bynum drops trow on the bench and rips a huge fart towards the basket. Otherwise, it may have clipped the front rim coming down, but never had a chance of going in.

[Mel_13]

That ball had no chance of going it unless Bynum drops trow on the bench and rips a huge fart towards the basket. Otherwise, it may have clipped the front rim coming down, but never had a chance of going in.

Which is why goaltending wasn't called.

[concken]

why is everyone saying goal tending? wouldn't it be basket interference?

[awktalk]

why is everyone saying goal tending? wouldn't it be basket interference?

Click the link above, it seems the NBA uses the terms interchangeably.

[bongraider]

Whats even better is the white guy(black suit green shirt) on the bench 2nd from the 2 coaches standing up get all excited then bummed within a second. My wife pointed it out and it had us cracking up!

i think that was Matt Barnes. and Chuck Person's reaction was classic!

[DMC]

Put backs don't matter in regular season.

LOL@ Reggie "it wasn't the greatest shot by Tim Duncan"

No Reggie.

Reggie: "That's gametime"

You mean "that's the ball game"

Also LOL at the Lakers for watching the ball and not boxing out. All of them.

[DMC]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList

For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.

So then if Howard was shooting it from the FT line, nothing would be considered a goal tend?

[TVI]

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList

For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.

Which is why most officials use the "more than halfway out of the cylinder" rule of thumb.

[Doe]

Laker fan can STFU with some of the bull their team gets away with, especially in the post season. Also it's typical of a Laker boards to have second-by-second photos of the play in question.

Gotta agree with this post:

I'm actually crossing my fingers in hopes that Stern comes out Sun or Mon saying that the basket shouldn't have counted, and that the league extends their apologies, but there's simply nothing they can do at this time.

[draft87]

how about a picture of mcdyess falling on gasol during the scramble after parker's floater?


when the refs were confirming that it was spurs ball, tnt showed a replay from behind the basket where it looks like dyess is tea bagging gasol.

[blizz]

I think the refs may have honestly missed a charge on Parker

No they didn't. Watch the replay, Kobe flopped. Parker was coming towards him and he buckled his knees and sat/fell down to the floor. Had he stood straight up, let Parker run into him and run him over, he would have gotten the call, but he preempted the hit and sat/fell too soon.

[Fpoonsie]

I love how devastated Jonah Hill is a few seats down from the Laker's assistant coaches.

[Leftyventricle]

http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2011/02...e-horry-scale/

[Obstructed_View]

No they didn't. Watch the replay, Kobe flopped. Parker was coming towards him and he buckled his knees and sat/fell down to the floor. Had he stood straight up, let Parker run into him and run him over, he would have gotten the call, but he preempted the hit and sat/fell too soon.

Looked to me like Parker jumped before the defender was set. Compare that to the charge that Manu drew on Carmelo. You have the right to come down when you jump. Seems like guys would jump earlier when they're going to the basket for exactly that reason.