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Actually, you're penalized for it.One of the guy's criteria for his formula is "height."
His criteria are bizarre, but if you look at where his 'line' is, it's like 90-95% accurate, both above and below the line.
As PC just pointed out, Tony and Manu face much less compe ion because of their international status.
Actually, you're penalized for it.One of the guy's criteria for his formula is "height."
His criteria are bizarre, but if you look at where his 'line' is, it's like 90-95% accurate, both above and below the line.
No i'm not but i am gonna look hard at his NBA run since that is where he spent 90% of his basketball days.. To me there are better players than Manu not in the HOF and guys like Miller getting snubbed is alarming..
So how does Reggie getting a gold medal and being a better NBA player fit into that critertia??
Sounds like a serious loophole.. If it's just about international spots for these guys. That is kinda bull ..
Manu turned pro at age 18, he got to the NBA at age 24 and during his NBA career he kept playing international ball. He didn't spent nowhere close to 90% of his BB days in the NBA.
Manu had a Euro/International career until age 25, and his FIBA accomplishments (WC/Olympics) overlapped both his Euro and NBA careers. His NBA career is NOT 90% of his career, more like 55-60%.
It's the BASKETBALL HOF. There are girls, college only players, referees, and broadcasters in it.
Please don't compare Reggie's Olympic medal to Manu's. There were probably 5-10 American guards you could have plugged in to his spot. Without Manu, Argentina likely doesn't make the medal round.
I still have yet to understand why Artis Gilmore keeps getting passed over, yet Rodman gets on the ballot.
Thank you.. But all anyone around here wants to talk about is international play.. How about better in players not being in the HOF... You know better at basketball since it is the basketball HOF..
If you look at the top of the list, it says ABA/NBA. That's all that is being evaluated. Don't try to make it something that it isn't.
You're the one that brought up Manu, ing that you didn't understand why he was a lock and Reggie Miller wasn't. If you just want to cry and whack off to your Reggie posters and not discuss the merits of different types of candidates, then you. You don't need to be in this thread to do that.
Dude, maybe you should do some research before spouting off. You don't understand that it's not the NBA Hall of Fame, it's the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame, and they take the totality of a guy's accomplishments into account, not just their NBA career.
If you can't comprehend what a massive accomplishment it is, to win a gold medal and the MVP of the tournament where team USA consisted of perennial All-Stars, I don't know what to tell you. Every US team in the Olympics with NBA players on it has won the gold medal except for 2004.
Also, Ginobili was a two-time Euroleague MVP, and a champion there too.
Then take into account his NBA career, where he's won three les (going on four) and been an integral part of two of them, I mean come on. Manu was a Hall of Fame lock in 2005. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the rules.
And honestly, HOF aside, I'd take Manu over Miller any day of the week and twice on Sunday. All Miller did was score. He wasn't a rebounder, passer, or any kind of defender. He was your classic 25-1-1 guy. Manu's a multi-faceted player who can help you win in a number of ways. Players like Miller and Ray Allen don't do much for me, to be honest. They're just one-dimensional. I like my shooting guards to be "five-tool players" and impact the game in every respect.
Better according who? You can't get players into the HoF based on subjective opinions, you have to consider les, accolades, stats, etc. and since it's the basketball Hall of Fame, all leagues should be considered not only the NBA.
To me (and many others), the NBA is Basketball
in baby!!! I explained Milller's merits in this thread already. All you want to talk about is other factors that get Manu in but keep better players than Manu out.. I was pretty clear. Gilmore was a great ABA And NBA player yet he never gets in and Manu should be in because he played overseas and in the NBA. Oh Reggie won a gold medal but that doesn't really count like Manu's does. Duncan didn't win a gold medal, i guess his HOF chances just went down..I get there are loopholes.. Just seems to me there needs to be changes..
I asked you before and i will again
Manu or Reggie? Who is more deserving and why??
Pretty much.. And to me it is about dominance.. Not how many years you played in other leagues.. How dominant were you in the best league in the world? Was Manu ever a dominant NBA player?
No..
Are you trolling? I have answered that question pretty clearly in this thread.
Hey Manu barely had to play in the NBA to be considered based on his international accomplishments alone. As for playing in the NBA, I agree Manu doesn't really have a really impressive resume. Manu will make it mostly based on his international accomplishments. He was one of the leaders of his Argentinean team that was the first international squad to ever beat Team USA since using professional players. He led his Argentinean squad to a gold medal plus all of the other medals that he's won with his international career. Other than Bill Bradley, he's the only player that's won in everything with Euroleague, NBA, and the Olympics.
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He was pretty dominant during the 2005 playoffs and finals.
But for the HoF it isn't the case, which is what we're arguing here.
You have not addressed anythiing about Reggie
Tell me why he is less deserving in spite of the fact he was a far better and more dominant NBA player
Reggie had 6 20 PPG seasons and was the all time 3 pt leader. He also pushed Jordans bulls to the limit in the playoffs.
Seriously dude, you must be pretty old or pretty ignorant. You're at least 40, right? You sound like Bill in' Simmons you're such a dinosaur.
Reggie better than Manu? ROFL. They're not even in the same galaxy.
Manu Career PER: 21.71 (32nd all time).
Miller Career PER: 18.36 (117th all time).
Tony has a better career PER than Reggie Frickin' Miller, and you know what? I'd much rather have him too.
Get out of here with your Miller worship. He's a glorified Craig Hodges except he didn't win .
There are Euro guys who never played ONE MINUTE in the NBA who are in. Should the ones that finally made the jump be penalized because YOU don't like the existing criteria? That would kind of make YOU the baby. The criteria are what they are, and I don't think they're going to change them because of your dislikes.
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