dirk is in the mvp discussion, therefore is a lock for first team
this is a really good list. I agree completely with your first team and second team.
As for your third team, it's pretty close but I have a feeling that Pierce will get the nod over Ginobili, I think Duncan will be the C, and it will be a toss up between Love/Griffin for the Forward spot
Really? He' "nearly" leading the Suns to another 62 win season?
The Suns are doing fine. They're about to make the playoffs.
Are you trying to say that Tim Duncan being on the 3rd all NBA team is based off something other than reputation?
Paul is having a better season than Duncan.
Why is Love getting votes? I'd understand maybe a third team selection if he played center, only because that position is so weak...but theres no way he should even come close to sniffing All-NBA at the PF spot.
You mean, he's automatically over hyped.
People need to stop comparing Duncan to prime Duncan and start comparing him to every other NBA center not named Howard, because he's the best of the rest. Because there aren't three legit All-NBA caliber centers, look for Gasol to be shifted to center, to make way for a more deserving forward.
Predictions . . .
1st team:
F- James, Nowitzki
C- Howard
G- Bryant, Rose
2nd team:
F- Durant, Stoudemire
C- Gasol
G- Wade, Paul
3rd team:
F- Garnett, Pierce
C- Duncan
G- Ginobili, Rondo
Remember, this isn't the All-Star team. All-NBA is about winning more so than it is stats. Guys like Griffin and Love aren't on good enough teams to make it and guys like Aldridge and Westbrook have had one season at an All-NBA caliber level. Two normally perennial guys are on the bubble: Anthony and Williams. Because of the "Melo drama" and Williams' supposed role in Sloan stepping down, look for voters to penalize them, while simultaneously making room for old standbys such as Garnett.
I wouldn't switch much from that. I'd swap Nowitzki and Durant, Bryant and Wade and I'd have Aldridge/Horford/Randolph in the mix for Garnett's spot and Nash/Parker/Westbrook in the mix for Rondo's spot.
this is too much.
When comparing Duncan's career to a league that has historically had dominant centers like Kareem, Olajuwon or Shaq who have led their team to multiple les while having a lot less dominant PFs who have rarely ever been the alpha dog who led his team to a le, Duncan is a power forward. That way he's the GOAT at his position with more on his resume than the likes of Charles Barkley or Karl Malone.
All the sudden, when current day Duncan is in a league that has at center and tons of talent at power forward, Duncan deserves an all NBA award because he's better than all centers other than Dwight Howard (as if being better than all centers not named Dwight Howard means something). I don't understand how a fan base that raves so much about winning and not caring about meaningless awards goes to this kinds of depths to add meaningless awards to Duncan's resume.
Hey my man...ALL NBA teams don't = Championships...Just give Kool the Lakers starting 5 and call it a day....
Sounds good. After we're done doing that, we can compare him to the all time great centers and see where he ranks all time among others at his position.
Amare has played by far more minutes at C than power forward this year, so by this logic, he'd also be moved up to C to make way for a power forward who has had a much more impressive season than all-time great center Tim Duncan.
Wait, so Aldridge and Westbrook not being elite prior to the 2010-2011 season somehow hurts their chances to make an All NBA team that is supposed to be based off the 2010-2011 season? Where does this logic come from?
Son tbh at this point in his career, with his mobility deteriorating Duncan is much more of a C than a PF. In his prime he was never a true PF but he wasnt a true C either...more of a PF/C hybrid. He did alot of thing out on the court that guys like Shaq, KAJ, and Wilt were never able to do. He was able to take slower players off the dribble, had good range, and I even remember (and miss
When comparing Duncan's career to a league that has historically had dominant centers like Kareem, Olajuwon or Shaq who have led their team to multiple les while having a lot less dominant PFs who have rarely ever been the alpha dog who led his team to a le, Duncan is a power forward. That way he's the GOAT at his position with more on his resume than the likes of Charles Barkley or Karl Malone.
All the sudden, when current day Duncan is in a league that has at center and tons of talent at power forward, Duncan deserves an all NBA award because he's better than all centers other than Dwight Howard (as if being better than all centers not named Dwight Howard means something). I don't understand how a fan base that raves so much about winning and not caring about meaningless awards goes to this kinds of depths to add meaningless awards to Duncan's resume.) Timmy running fastbreaks and making the right passes. Dude was way too skilled to be considered a true Center imo, although to be fair he also played way too big to be considered a true PF as well.
since when did losing athleticism all of a sudden mean you change positions?
Did u read the rest of the post?
since when did losing athleticism all of a sudden mean you change positions?
Let me get this straight -
in order to be considered a true center you can't be able to take someone slower than you off the dribble, you can't have a good jumper, and you can't make the right passes (it's time let Hakeem Olajuwon know that he might have been the starting center on two le teams but he wasn't a center.
in order to be considered a true power forward, you can only play so "big". If Kevin Garnett wants to be considered a power forward, he better stop playing like a 7 footer and lessen his defensive presence to that of someone several inches shorter.
Also, maybe I'm forgetting some, but I'm never seen Duncan push the ball up the court like a PG and lead a fast break. I've seen him take guys off the dribble, but it's not like his off the dribble game was anything more than something he used when guard by someone who was big enough to give him problems in the post but was unathletic as and could be beat off the dribble.
yes i did and it was even more re ed
Are you saying this person should commit suicide??
Duncan didn't become a full-time center until '08. It's like Rodriguez. He's the greatest shortstop ever, but he's also one of the greatest third basemen ever. Same thing applies to Duncan, just replace shortstop with power forward and third basemen with center.
For those that claim Duncan was "always a center", how come no one does this when it comes to Gasol? He's basically a softer, extremely poor man's version of prime Duncan and he's well over 7-0.
Yeah, Stoudemire could be considered a center option as well (and he has been in the past), but he's a true power forward, which is why it would make more sense to list him as a forward.
I didn't say it necessarily should hurt their chances, I said it probably will, if you go by past history. Usually, you have to have played at an All-NBA level for more than a season to be rewarded. Although, it used to be that way with the All-Star game too, until it was an extremely exciting player and a white player leading the good stats/bad team brigade. Then previous standards were out the window.
So whats youre criteria...
The official position theyre listed as?The way they play??
touché
When comparing Duncan's career to a league that has historically had dominant centers like Kareem, Olajuwon or Shaq who have led their team to multiple les while having a lot less dominant PFs who have rarely ever been the alpha dog who led his team to a le, Duncan is a power forward. That way he's the GOAT at his position with more on his resume than the likes of Charles Barkley or Karl Malone.
All the sudden, when current day Duncan is in a league that has at center and tons of talent at power forward, Duncan deserves an all NBA award because he's better than all centers other than Dwight Howard (as if being better than all centers not named Dwight Howard means something). I don't understand how a fan base that raves so much about winning and not caring about meaningless awards goes to this kinds of depths to add meaningless awards to Duncan's resume.
That comparison, in addition to being beyond stupid, only hurts your argument. A-Rod splitting time between two positions during his career and not having one position people will always put him at hasn't added to his resume. Being thought of as a natural short stop who moved over to third base (a position he's terrible at fielding) because he was joining a team already led by someone else is thought of by most as something that will hurt his legacy.
Since Babe Ruth is considered an all time great batter but also played pitcher, I guess he's an all time great pitcher.
I never claimed Duncan was "always a center", you're the one calling him a center. I've always thought of him as a PF because that's the position he's played the vast majority of his career, my point is that it's stupid he goes from PF to C once an opportunity to sneak onto an all NBA team comes around for any center capable of wiping his own ass.
So is Duncan a "true" power forward or center?
My mistake then.
There's no simple criteria for what position a player should be considered at, my point was that Duncan's resume and legacy shouldn't be able to reap the rewards of a modern day NBA with no talent at center AND an all time NBA that has historically had very few dominant power forwards. It's one or the other.
It's not like the Spurs have a capable "true" center on their roster who is losing minutes to Tim Duncan/having to play more at PF because of Tim Duncan because Tim Duncan is so much better maximized and used at C instead of PF. It's a situation no different than teams like Knicks, Rockets or Jazz playing Amare, Scola or Jefferson at C because the "true" centers they have all suck and while better PF, all 3 of them are still effective centers.
It's an excellent comparison, if you have an ounce of intelligence and are able to grasp the basic parallels. I'm not talking about whether Rodriguez' legacy was impacted one way or another by the positional change, genius. I'm just saying, it is possible to be the greatest ever at one position and amongst the greatest at another. People have this idea that Duncan has to be one or the other, which is foolish. Debate Rodriguez' fielding at third all you want, he's still put up big numbers playing the position and will go down as one of the greatest ever at third overall (if not as one of the greatest fielders at the position).
My point is he doesn't "change positions based on opportunity". It just so happens that he became a full-time center at a time when the league became ridiculously thin with high end centers. It's not his fault and it has nothing to do with Spurs fans being biased.
He's neither. He's a four and a half, just like Gasol. Because of his decline in mobility and the game going smaller and faster (plus the fact that it's much easier to find a starting caliber PF than C), he's a center by default now.
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