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The rest of your post notwithstanding.
I've been told Shabazz is infatuated with a college that can fix his deficiencies, and he likes UCLA's defense, and it's recent history of sending guards to the NBA. It may be a one year fix, but he's a talent, and the fact he likes UCLA for defense seems to indicate he's buying into whatever Howland is selling.
UA fans needn't worryWe'll get ours.
The rest of your post notwithstanding.
And Quincy Miller
The silver lining is, these coaches like Drew and Calipari who use improper benefits and under the table to bring in 5 star recruits left and right never win , the recruits come in with a giant sense of en lement and superiority complex due to the fact their coach paid them to play there, and the coach has no idea how to handle it.
Yeah um lets be honest here, there's plenty of truths that can paint Barnes in a negative image that even Larry Drew wouldn't need to make up lies about him. All he'd have to say is, "Rememba det year Rick Barnes had no idea how to utilize a really talented player, lol oh wait that's every year."
Gotta think they might have some buyer's remorse after Miller tore his ACL. Hopefully he can come back from it, as he was dominating at the U18 in San Antonio last summer.
There's now direct evidence linking Drew to this yet but you'd have to think he was involved somehow. The guy is very shady and there is a reason that every other big 12 coach hates the guy. He is definitely doing something funny getting all these studs to commit there. Saying that, he can't coach worth a . Put Turgeon on that Baylor team and they are competing for the big 12 championship this year, just sayin.
True dat.
There's plenty of evidence connecting Drew to this, such as seeing a kid like Perry driving a nice new car you know is not his, or one he can afford and doing nothing about it.
Knowing and ignoring to avoid connection is the same as putting the keys in his hands.
Like I said, my guy says Drew is dirty as they come, but smart as . You think he's going to have direct links? That's not how this works. Drew isn't putting the money in the kid's hands, nor is he the one making the phone calls to set up payment, but it's all happening on his watch and he's doing nothing about it. This is what happened at USC with both programs. Don't fool yourself into thinking that because Drew isn't signing the checks and is the blind eye that he's not the brains behind it all.
I'm kind of wary to jump to any conclusions as this might only be the first shoe to drop, but is this not eerily similar to the Cam Newton situation? He was allowed to play in the BCS le game because he supposedly had no idea his father was pimping his talents out to the highest bidder. Apparently Perry had no idea his mother sought a loan to pay her mortgage. I doubt either of them had "no idea" but the hypocrisy and timing of the suspension (day of the start of the big 12 tourney) is ridiculous. You could make a similar argument with the Ohio State players being allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl.
I'm not trying to be a homer and maybe the NCAA has information it hasn't released yet, but the NCAA needs to develop some consistency in handing out these suspensions instead of acting like money grubbing s. It's a huge reason they've lost a ton of credibility in the eyes of alot of college sports fans.
All that being said, Baylor Basketball the bed this year and we probably weren't gonna do anything significant to boost our chances of making the NCAA tourney. Still sucks to have your best player taken away the day of and have no chance whatsoever.
Perry was driving a new car. Are you saying Perry had no idea he was driving a new car?
The NCAA is going to be more sympathetic towards a player who's the obvious Heisman choice making them tons of money than towards an oober talented player on a severely underachieving team with a coach that looks like someone talent should stay for away from. If Jones were having a POTY season and Baylor was a top 10 team, there's no way the NCAA does this.
Do you have a link to any story connecting him to driving a new car or is it just your sources? Not saying he was or wasn't I just can't find it anywhere.
And I already said I doubt he had no idea about the loans. Why would I think he had no idea he was driving a new car? If he was, it's obviously a stupid move on his and the program/Drew's part and might as well be a dead give away. My argument isn't that Perry is completely innocent, just that the timing of suspension is hypocritical when you take into account them allowing Cam and Ohio State players to play in money making bowl games. Expected, but still hypocritical considering the amount of information I've seen released so far. That could obviously change, I don't know what info they do or do not have.
Cam Newton has yet to be find in violation of anything, so that comparison makes no sense. If they pull a Reggie Bush with him and it turns out they with held information until they were done making money off of it, then it's something to bring up.
The OSU situation is extremely hypocritical and there's a reason people laughed at the NCAA's ruling "You're getting suspended, but you can play in the bowl", so I agree there. Still, it's well known that the NCAA is always more willing to put off punishing an athlete/program it's making tons of money off as oppose to a program like Baylor people are already laughing at as a place talent goes to get wasted.
When will what I say be accepted because I say it?
Yes, it's my sources. I was told he was driving a "loaner" car from an agent with connections to the Cliftons.
Perhaps I'm wrong. If so, my sources are wrong. And, the nature of our relationship is they don't say something to me until they are certain. If I'm wrong, they are wrong, and my guy has yet to be wrong to me. This is the same guy who gave me a bunch of recent UA news, which DoK will vouch for as being timely and accurate.
EDIT: A new article is reporting its the loans from the mother. I'll talk to my source again and see what he has to say about the car. It'd be hilarious of Perry allowed to escape from that.
Last edited by JMarkJohns; 03-10-2011 at 01:51 PM.
As far as the loans, while Perry may not be connected, but Amare was never gonna be allowed to play college ball because his mother took a $1000 gift from a Nike rep. The fact Perry wasn't the primary recipient isn't the key. It's that his commit to Baylor was influenced by paid off individuals of consequence like a mother and AAU coach. Fruit of the poisonous tree.
Tbh you might think JMark is the typical "I have sources cause im teh awesome" internet who makes stuff up to try and sound important, but everything he's ever told me about U of A recruiting has been true, a lot of which has been well in advance of it becoming news. On top of that he also has some kind of info on how a players pan out. I remember him telling me Derrick Williams would be by far UA's best player before his freshman season started when people were calling him a "waste of a scholarship".
The most recent example, Arizona's newest recruit, Angelo Chol, committed on February 17th. Sometime in January, iirc, he sent me a PM saying Chol will be announcing his commitment on February 17th. Not around or anytime then or after, ON February 17th. I'm pretty sure this was before Chol announced he was having a press conference on February 17th to announce his commitment so that date wasn't mainstream news, and at the time most still considered Washington the favorite to land him w/ his official visit to Washington coming up. Basically, telling me that when he did means he actually has a source or he's incredibly lucky.
EDIT: If I didn't have to take a test in 45 minutes, I'd share more examples right now, but this thread alone is evidence if you read through it.
Last edited by Kyle Orton; 03-10-2011 at 02:06 PM.
From what I understood the NCAA didn't find Cam in any violation because he "didn't know" about his father's actions. Every report I've read says the same about Perry "not knowing" about his mother's loans, yet he's somehow found in violation of accepting improper benefits. That's why I made the comparison between the two.
I understand the rule and I understand the NCAA being sympathetic to a program/player that's bringing in the money, but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical is all I'm saying.
And I'm not calling you or your sources wrong Johns, I just think if the car thing is true it's something that should've been reported by the NCAA when levying their suspension, no?
I'm not trying to kick fans while there down. I responded to this thread because I and my sources were called into question within it. I wouldn't have responded this way had such not occurred.
I don't know everything. My sources don't know everything. But they've been accurate enough, with several of them telling me that Drew and Baylor were dirty two years back. I've discussed such in private message a few times with certain people, which is why DoK initially said "looks like you were right" when I posted "$$$" in this thread several months back.
My guy says this is the tip, that a lot of what's going on isn't going to be exposed this immediately, but that it runs deep and the stinks. I've linked to multiple articles after my claim in this thread that came out in backup of what I've said.
Anyways. Sucks for fans. UA went through something like this recently, albeit through misunderstanding, not intentional benefits. It can hit hard, which, I would expect it to. When my guy says Perry is driving a new car provided by an agent with connections to the Cliftons, whom the NCAA already made a ruling against and greatly dislike, I trust him. This is starting to follow the pattern of USCs issues.
This is fair to ask. I broke the news of what my source suspected it was before anything was known about what the benefit could be. My source said it. I went with it. As it turns out, he may be accurate about the goings-on, the event itself wasn't what caused the ineligibility.
As for us knowing everything about everything because it's obvious, Perry isn't the first nor last big-name recruit to drive a fancy new, agent/booster-provided car, and we hardly ever know who they are.
There's a difference.
Nothing was found that the Newtons ever received any of what they were allegedly seeking. In this instance, benefits were proven to have been received. So, despite not knowing, similar to Newton, Perry's situation is completely different.
Gotcha. I was under the impression the father HAD received payments. Obviously misremembered the details of the story I guess.
From what I understand, there is some worry as to how long this has been going on and exactly when things started (if there are other, and many think there are) and did it occur when Baylor was still on penalty before? If you recall, NCAA started looking into BU in Sept or Oct of last year.
For certain, the other schools are jumping at the chance to again label BU as a cheater and force their program back down. This could be much bigger than people imagine.
Yesterday I broke the news as it broke nationwide. I made the first post before the first story was even ready and available on internet sites. I edited in the content minutes later to include info from first breaking article. I then broke news that Perry is driving a nice new car and that it was just the start. Within two hours news broke that included links to questionable loans/questionable payments to loans. Most recently I discussed that the rumored car Perry is allegedly driving was supplied from an agent with connections to the Cliftons, whom I have spoken of before and linked an article on how they were hired by Drew and Baylor to help land Wall, and, while unsuccessful there, Baylor has landed several highly-touted prospects by them. This was all on top of an original investigation regarding tactics used in recruitment.
At this point I find it hard to believe anyone is blinded enough to imagine that this isn't bigger than they have imagined.I mean, how the else is an above-average team with an average coach and a crappy tradition with a recent history of penalties and crime, not just landing 5-Star talents, but landing them YEARS in advance?
Last edited by JMarkJohns; 03-10-2011 at 06:38 PM.
I agree.
This has "SMU in the late 80's" written all over it.
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