Yup. , "rock and roll" is a sexual analogy and it seems like half the songs are about ing and having too much fun. They make ya believe that with the power of the electric guitar and rock and roll you can get anything and anyone you want and its damn cool, its what you're even supposed to do
Back in the day you'd get some wall to wall counseling for listening to the Rolling Stones if you were in the military. Especially with the way rock and rollers danced and rebelled in general with their music and beliefs. Jagger got plenty of hate for his style.
Judd would be a square back then but then again the modern media has reached epic levels of sensory overload.
This has historically been the case. Suddenly we've decided to have congressional hearings tackling gun violence, phobia, sexism and drugs when hip-hop became center stage. Suddenly the American Dream of driving nice cars and having big houses has suddenly become utterly repulsive and vain when a guy with cornrows and gold teeth does it.
I think people can't admit it's more about the messenger than the actual message.
Of course.
In any case, it is exactly as you say; not easily studied. You even would have to decide how to measure misogyny, if you even wanted to do the study. Would it be based on frequency, or severity? Rap music in my opinion in misogynistic more often than all others, and the vulgarity/severity is also something not easily quantifiable, especially since rap is vulgar and violent as a genre. For the record, rap is probably what I listen to most often, so in no way am I trying to bash the genre. But I do sincerely believe it is misogynistic more often.
It's completely a societal issue. You can look at so many areas in which the increasing "sexualness" comes from. In my opinion, women themselves (mainly young women, college age, etc.) perpetuate/extend this trend.
It seems we're getting to a different and much larger issue as a whole.
lol, I'm gonna make a record that subtlety says "kill all jews"; it'll make it less racist.
Open sexuality is not the same as misogyny, btw. A song talking about having a lot of sex with women isn't misogynist. A song saying all women are meant for is to be used or ed is misogynist. I just want to make that clarification because there have been several posts in the thread which focus on increasing sexuality but thats not misogynist at all on its own.
Less racist, no. More acceptable, probably.
Stop being a jackass, you can address me directly if you want. I know they aren't the same thing, but I think they go hand in hand in this discussion.
Eminem referenced that, but mentioned that Congress got all mad because he was a white rapper bringing that up.
And of course, there's the infamous "cop killer" song...
You weren't the only. Its not all about you. They don't go hand in hand at all, though.
LOL @ the thought I somehow am adverse to addressing you too. Thanks for your permission?
I just want Ashley Judd to say why the she didn't go after Mick Jager or Scott Wieland.
I think there's a very strong implication in some mainstream rap songs that women are only there to have sex, and that all women will have sex with you if you get them drunk or throw money at them. (That exists in other genres of music too, of course; it's just not said as frankly as in rap.)
Because no one under the age of 25 probably even recognizes those names?
I doubt anyone under the age of 25 is buying Judd's book.
Then again I doubt anyone who is buying Judd's book is listening to Diddy or Snoop.
Honestly I pretty much just spent 2 pages saying what CF said in two paragraphs on the first page.
Just like that, as a science, no room for debate? Whatever man, I think they can be.
Increasing sexuality --> increasing acceptance of sexual lyrics --> a lot of the misogyny in rap pertains to sex, gangstas having bro b4 ho mentality, only using women for sex --> women accept because it's a part of nature for men to want sex often (yes, there are studies for why men want sex more often than women for the sake of having sex, strictly for pleasure) + who would want to hang out with y, backstabbing women (many women themselves also accept this view)
Now, the ending few parts of the equation are certainly open for debate and open for many more alternatives, but my main point is that they can be related, and it shows on the demand/acceptability side.
They can be related is quite different from the implication something goes hand in hand with something else. Maybe you misunderstood or misused the phrase "goes hand in hand" but it certainly does not mean "can be related" but it means "is always related".
I don't think you are, had nothing to do with permission obviously, I thought I was the only one going that route in my posts and thus thought you were trying to be a jackass, which is not something I view as way out of the ordinary.
Fair enough - my reputation precedes me.
Yeah, she lost some street cred by not telling it like it is.
I hate when celebrities open their mouths and say some stupid like this. She comes off as a ing re who has no idea what she's talking about.
She backed off because to her credit she realized how stupid the comments were. Saying Rap is the soundtrack to misogyny is about as clueless as it gets.
I suppose some of that could be the case. I don't know though, hand in hand is just another super common phrase that can take on slightly different meanings in different cases. Since so many people will use such a phrase, they can often lose their exact definition, if there ever was one. And this happens with words over and over.
Accordiong to Merriam-Webster, hand in hand = in close association, which in my opinion is not "is always related".
Enough of being caught up in bull , I just wanted to bring in other factors that could affect this discussion, since we know we aren't going to conduct a study and get anywhere with the original subject.
So do I, it happens way too often. The real problem is most celebrities, like most people, don't know what the they are talking about.
She has an almost unparalleled skill in this. It seems she's already had every discussion on the internet before. Seriously though CF,for being quite intelligent and being a woman. You're the best
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