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The only thing worse would be a San Antonio-NJ Finals, or maybe a SA-Detroit one...or even worse, a Spurs-Cavs Finals!
Thank god the shareholders would never allow that to happen, though.
the people leaving cali are the ones that couldn't cut it here.
enjoy our refuse.
The only thing worse would be a San Antonio-NJ Finals, or maybe a SA-Detroit one...or even worse, a Spurs-Cavs Finals!
Thank god the shareholders would never allow that to happen, though.
First of all, you appear to be a T'Wolves fan. But you're reacting like I was talking to you when I flashed back at the Laker trolls who come here just to piss on things. Do you not know where you are?
You were probably about 9 when the Kobe draft/trade happened, but there were numerous articles printed when it was happening that indicated that Kobe refused to play anyplace but LA, and was holding the Hornets hostage. (If I really gave a damn what you think, I'd dig some of them up.) It's not revisionist history, but I'm sure you think that if you don't find it on Google, it never existed. Ignorance is bliss. But I was there, and read the articles as it was happening. What you are talking about is the spin that got put on it after the fact. Because the league didn't want a precedent of a player holding the draft process hostage. It's a business, and image is everything. That's reality, and you're naive if you don't get it.
You want to talk about revisionist history? I specifically said (as I always do) that there is no conspiracy in the league. You can't keep from revising history from a paragraph ago. How do you expect to get anything right from over a decade ago?
I don't have a problem with the Lakers in particular, and I've taken my share of crap here for saying that Kobe (in his prime) is one of the 3 best to ever play the game. If you're stupid enough to believe that franchise players don't get more calls than the nobodies in the league, you're beyond help. The Lakers have a number of truly top-tier players on this squad. That's already a big advantage. But that also gives them more opportunities for those franchise-player calls. And no, those calls don't even out in the long run. It's not... a level... playing field.
There are, and always will be, bad calls. But some calls are worse than others, and some are just inexplicable. Do you remember the recent shot LeBron put up at the end of a quarter? It was clearly after the clock ran out. The refs went to the replay, and then huddled, and came up with some bull reason why it should count. It was so wrong, and so stupid that the league had to come out and say that the refs simply ignored the rules. I know, you know, and everyone else here knows that never would have happened if it was some rookie that put the shot up, and not LeBron (or one of a couple of other players). You're lying to yourself if you say otherwise. That kind of thing just doesn't even out... ever. And it's not just the Lakers, they were just the ones playing last night.
As for the assholes who come somewhere just to piss on people? Yeah, I dislike them. Intensely. And California residents who do things like that gas is high in their state because there is some Texas conspiracy? (A 900-foot dump apartment costs $1,500 a month, and they don't understand that the real estate cost for gas stations alone is enough to add a chunk to the price they pay?) Them too.
I'm not bitter. I just get tired of having to wade through knee-deep to find things about the Spurs on a Spurs forum. Maybe if I eat some yogurt, chant a mantra, and put some crystals on my head, I'll feel better.
SA is Gregg Popovich.The only thing worse would be a San Antonio-NJ Finals, or maybe a SA-Detroit one...or even worse, a Spurs-Cavs Finals!
Thank god the shareholders would never allow that to happen, though.
The guy that USED to eliminate Joey Crawford from PO games because he T'ed Duncan at the end of an irrelevant game.
You had to be aware of that Popovich, even if you are Stern.
Expecially if you are Stern, and the accolites of officiating cronies.
Spurs 4 rings DESPITE stern/rigging!
Such CLASS!!!
Nine years old? You don't know me here, I am over 60 and have stated it many times. I have lived though more NBA action than most fans, particularly on this board. I specifically remember the drama around Kobe Bryant because the Lakers were making a play to get Shaq. They couldn't get it done until they dealt Divac, and that's what they did, well ahead of signing Shaq. They had to clear the cap space, period.
As far as your argument about Kobe, you are the one beyond help. Go look at the thread I linked, I proved my case betyond a reasonable doubt and all you claim is old newspaper articles say otherwise, and that evidence to prove your case has been obliterated from the internet. There is such a thing as a newspaper morgue that will show how the Hornets planned to play Kobe. Of course, this could have been specualtion by a beat writer who had no clue Kobe had been drafted to be traded. Find your proof and post it. Besides, why would the Hornets draft a player that wouldn't work out for them? They wouldn't. They had a deal in place to trade him, and it's irrefutable.
I don't keep track of how calls balance out. Usually, in my mind they do. Nothing we can do about it anyway. I am not here to argue about conspiracies, I don't believe in them.
One more thing, Daddy. I have a challenge for you. Go find me a video clip of Kermit Washington punching Rudy T and crushing his facial bones. I'd bet a week's pay that you can't. And if you did somehow manage to find one, I'd bet two week's pay that the link wouldn't work a week later. Why? Because the league sanitized it out of existence. It doesn't look good for their image, and they made it go away. And that isn't the only example, it's just the easiest one for most people to relate to. The NBA watches it's image very, very carefully. As they should. But don't think that just because you can't find something on the Internet, it never existed.
Right now, the league is desperate for the next generation of superstar(s), because they know that is what sells tickets. If you think the refs are insulated from all the hype, you need to grow up. Derek Rose is a great player. But he gets calls now, that other people don't. I think some of it is because of the refs' expectations. Not a conspiracy... got that? Not a conspiracy. But a result of the league's hype machine, and the fact that the refs are human.
Pao Gasol got to take 4 steps in the low post, with his back to the basket. Matt Bonner wouldn't have. That's just reality. See how many people disagree with that one simple thought.
Not despite, but BECAUSE.
That video has been up since May 2009. I'll PM you my address so you can send the check.
It's ALWAYS extremely entertaining to read how some people WANT to believe.
There's got to be a place in life in which the ball is round, can bounce on or off, and "calls even out".
No there isn't.
And, duh, they were able to deal Divac because Kobe refused to play any place but LA. The two things aren't mutually exclusive, Einstein. Divac was considered one of the better centers in the league, so it's not like the Hornets got nothing in return. But they didn't get the deal they could have gotten, because everyone knew that there was only one place they could trade him. They didn't draft Kobe to get Vlade. They drafted him because they thought they held the cards, and they found out they were wrong. (His agent even indicated that he would go and play in Europe, like his dad, if he didn't go to LA.) I'm not blaing the Lakers. It's a of a deal, if you can get it. I'm just saying what happened, as it happened. If you don't like it, remember it some other way.
What makes you think it couldn't happen? Yi Jianlian tried the same thing, and Ricky Rubio is currently doing it. Yi didn't have the leverage. Rubio probably does, and he will probably play where he wants to. And the league's PR people will spin a story that his trade was mutual. Because they still won't want a precedent for a player holding the draft hostage.
Now enough of this. I made my points about the officiating. Some people agree, some disagree. You just bore me.
I love the smell of meltdown in the morning.
Thats the Spurs fault for having players like Matt Bonner on the team.
GSH, are you mad?
GSH
Take your toys and go home, you are sounding like a baby.
24 ft attempts in game 7 of last years finals, are you kidding me?..
Tim Donaghy says Hi.
Is that the same Tim Donaghy who rigged Game 3 of the 2007 WCSF for you?
Dude, you are getting your clock cleaned, just as I did to MiamiHeat, and noted in the thread i linked above.
refer to this part of that thread:
4) The NBA draft was held Wednesday, June 26, 1996. Divac agreed to be traded on Monday July 1, 1996. It didn't take 13 days to complete the deal as you suggested to diego above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Draft
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18444246.html
This time frame suggests Divac was notified Thursday he was traded and he needed the weekend to decide whether to accept or retire. It is common knowledge, with proof, Divac pondered retirement for several days. Again, more proof the deal was done and completed in advance of the draft.
Add to that the fact that Hornets GM Bass admitted there was a deal to draft Kobe, if he was avaialable and trade him for Divac and your argument Kobe refused to play for the Hornets is left dead in the water. The Hornets made a deal and couldn't hope to get more. You just wish they could have gotten more, and dreamt up some fantasies to reassure yourself of false reality.
Seeing as how you are getting owned in your thread with the link to the Kermit puching Rudy video, I suggest you take your own advice you suggested to me:
I'm just saying what happened, as it happened. If you don't like it, remember it some other way.
You clearly remember it the way you want to remember it, and you are dead wrong.
GSH
It would be better not even to respond and let this thread die and fall off the front page.
DOAT, the goods, par the course.
GSH got raped
Just a thought...
Rather than complain that the referees are not bailing out your team why don’t you educate yourself & go to Amazon & purchase the Spurs 2003 Championship DVD to see how your team used to play…It was a time where every Spurs player contributed & listened to their coach…It is not the fault of the NBA or its officiating that today’s Spurs players act like they could care less about the playoffs and show up for games wearing rapper attire & sunglasses…
IMO The Spurs 2003 DVD set is the Finest, most Professional Championship DVD series ever made…You owe it to yourself to study it!
http://www.amazon.com/2002-2003-NBA-...3922573&sr=8-1
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