Osama Dead Or Captured?!?!?!?

[fraga]

Clearly faked...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I like how everyone in that room is like "America, yeah!" while Hillary is sitting there over holding back tears because we just popped that SOB in the head.

[Stringer_Bell]

You know Pakistan is going to suffer for this, so let's not act like we showed be pushing them around because OBL was hiding there all along like everyone said he was for the last decade. No doubt, they allowed us to go in there, and even though we prolly had to pay a nice chunk of change - we were able to accomplish our business, while they have to worry about the mess afterwards.

Sure, they are s, but I'd rather cooperate with them than assholes.

[djohn2oo8]

I like how everyone in that room is like "America, yeah!" while Hillary is sitting there over holding back tears because we just popped that SOB in the head.

She is likke that because the first helicopter went down

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I found that on a french newspaper

"Mais Ben Laden lui-même avait indiqué à plusieurs reprises qu'il mourrait en martyr et qu'il ne se laisserait jamais capturer. Par conséquent, je pense qu'ils ont dû faire plusieurs sommations, mais comme Ben Laden lui-même circulait souvent armé et portait en règle générale une ceinture d'explosifs, les forces spéciales n'ont pas eu d'autre choix que de l'abattre pour éviter d'abord qu'il ne les tue, et aussi pour être sûr d'arriver à un résultat."

"It says roughly Ben Laden had indicated he wanted to die like a martyr and he would never surrender. There US forces made certainly several warnings but as Ben Laden had a gun and usually had explosives with him the special forces had no alternatives to avoid casualties."

didn't know he was wearing explosives.

Anyway thats a very good news.


French site also stated that putting him under water was meant to avoid a cult of his body and no pictures to avoid a disrespect to muslim religion that could lead to violent movement of revolts.

all in all sounds plausible

What a load of crap most of that is. If he had explosives strapped to him he would have detonated them before we got to him.

Pictures will be released, and in case you forgot we released picks of Saddam and his boys, as well as the other Osama kids we've popped already and other prominent AQ leaders whenever we could.

[Marcus Bryant]

heard the compound was only 200 meters from the Pakistani Military Academy

what. the. .

Exactly.

The US gave the Pakistanis 20 large to find bin Laden.

[TDMVPDPOY]

well for trained soldiers and the correct equipment it is perfectly possible to capture alive a guy even if he didn't want to surrender unless he had some explosives with a detonator. That could be an explanation... I guess.

imo theres a conspiracy

usa and paki stage this and put this clown in there, put urself in OBL shoes, wouldnt you go out all guns of glory and planned for ur escape or if ima die i take all you along with me...so why wasnt his compound full of explosives..go out in a blaze of glory....and it didnt make sense less then 5 ppl was in his compound...

[EVAY]

I like how everyone in that room is like "America, yeah!" while Hillary is sitting there over holding back tears because we just popped that SOB in the head.

Perhaps not the absolute brightest post you have ever made, Ag.

Look again. Every single man and woman in that room is looking very serious. There is no "yeah, America" look on anyone's face, and for all you or I know, that photo was taken when the American helicopter went down and everybody there was worried about American casualties (as many of them said they were after the fact).

Hate on Hillary all you want...she is certainly no fave of mine...but that post was genuinely stupid.

[Mr. Peabody]

well for trained soldiers and the correct equipment it is perfectly possible to capture alive a guy even if he didn't want to surrender unless he had some explosives with a detonator. That could be an explanation... I guess.

Options were limited. The compound was in a residential neighborhood in a sovereign country. If Obama ordered an airstrike and bin Laden was not in the compound, it would be a huge diplomatic problem. Even if Obama was right, obliterating the compound might make it nearly impossible to confirm bin Laden's death.

Said Brennan: "The president had to evaluate the strength of that information, and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

Obama tapped two dozen members of the Navy's elite SEAL Team Six to carry out a raid with surgical accuracy.

Before dawn Monday morning, a pair of helicopters left Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. The choppers entered Pakistani airspace using sophisticated technology intended to evade that country's radar systems, a U.S. official said.

Officially, it was a kill-or-capture mission, since the U.S. doesn't kill unarmed people trying to surrender. But it was clear from the beginning that whoever was behind those walls had no intention of surrendering, two U.S. officials said.

The helicopters lowered into the compound, dropping the SEALs behind the walls. No shots were fired, but shortly after the team hit the ground, one of the helicopters came crashing down and rolled onto its side for reasons the government has yet to explain. None of the SEALs was injured, however, and the mission continued uninterrupted.

With the CIA and White House monitoring the situation in real time – presumably by live satellite feed or video carried by the SEALs – the team stormed the compound.

Thanks to sophisticated satellite monitoring, U.S. forces knew they'd likely find bin Laden's family on the second and third floors of one of the buildings on the property, officials said. The SEALs secured the rest of the property first, then proceeded to the room where bin Laden was hiding. In the ensuing firefight, Brennan said, bin Laden used a woman as a human shield.

The SEALs killed bin Laden with a bullet to the head. Using the call sign for his visual identification, one of the soldiers communicated that "Geronimo" had been killed in action, according to a U.S. official.

Bin Laden's body was immediately identifiable, but the U.S. also conducted DNA testing that identified him with near 100 percent certainty, senior administration officials said. Photo analysis by the CIA, confirmation on site by a woman believed to be bin Laden's wife, and matching physical features such as bin Laden's height all helped confirm the identification. At the White House, there was no doubt.

[Winehole23]

you guys are mean. you ran darrin off.

Mindlessly repeating biased inferences ( Cheney) and completely un-sourced assertions (serial liar Marc Thiessen), has certain risks attached.

[ElNono]

I like how everyone in that room is like "America, yeah!" while Hillary is sitting there over holding back tears because we just popped that SOB in the head.

Hillary looks like she's gonna throw up, tbh

[ploto]

Out of respect for Islamic beliefs that a person must be buried within 24 hours, they buried him at sea. No country wanted him on their land, and if there is no land spot available immediately, then burial at sea is acceptable. The US obviously is taking great pains not to offend moderate Muslims.

I am not a military or intelligence buff at all, but I have found it very fascinating how evidence has been found and put together to figure this all out.

Someone asked about why did they not just bomb the place, but there was a lot of intelligence to be found in the compound, as well as being able to ID his body without a doubt.

[fraga]

[TDMVPDPOY]

Out of respect for Islamic beliefs that a person must be buried within 24 hours, they buried him at sea. No country wanted him on their land, and if there is no land spot available immediately, then burial at sea is acceptable. The US obviously is taking great pains not to offend moderate Muslims.

I am not a military or intelligence buff at all, but I have found it very fascinating how evidence has been found and put together to figure this all out.

Someone asked about why did they not just bomb the place, but there was a lot of intelligence to be found in the compound, as well as being able to ID his body without a doubt.

i thought they had to wait 1week for t he dna results to come in...

[Spurtacus]

Still waiting for my reward money.

[Mr. Peabody]

i thought they had to wait 1week for t he dna results to come in...

The U.S. already had his family's DNA on file, so they were probably just looking for family markers.

Some scientific experts said on Monday that if results really were so accurate, at least one of the sources was likely to have been a close relative, like a child or parent with whom he shared half his genes.

“That would be most likely,” said Frederic Zenhausern, director of the Center for Applied NanoBioscience and Medicine at University of Arizona.

DNA matching usually involves obtaining genetic material from a blood sample or cheek swab.

The vast majority of a person’s DNA sequence will be the same as every other person’s. So a test, which can be done in a few hours if needed, typically focuses on a small number of locations on the genome, usually 13 to 16 spots. These spots are located on what is sometimes referred to as junk DNA, areas of genetic material that do not contain instructions for building brain, bone and muscle.

[DarrinS]

From your own link:

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.




Nice strawman and nope, not cool with that at all.

Self-pwned by my speed reading. But it does raise an interesting hypothetical. The interogators didn't know (hindsight's always 20-20) that their conventional interrogation techniques produced actionable intel. But, if you were 100% certain that waterboarding would lead you to OBL, would you support it.

I already know where WineyHole and Lngrrr stand.

[DarrinS]

Intel was gathered at one of the so-called "black sites" (that the left is so fond of), so I wonder if Obama will follow through on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_159950.html

[Winehole23]

Self-pwned by my speed reading.

Once again your so-called speed reading has led you to make a fundamental misrepresentation of tenor and fact. Maybe you should read slower.

[ElNono]

Self-pwned by my speed reading. But it does raise an interesting hypothetical. The interogators didn't know (hindsight's always 20-20) that their conventional interrogation techniques produced actionable intel. But, if you were 100% certain that waterboarding would lead you to OBL, would you support it.

I already know where WineyHole and Lngrrr stand.

The hypothetical is actually pretty uninteresting seeing you cannot realistically be 100% certain of the outcome of any kind of torture.

But regardless of that, no I wouldn't support torture in any way, shape or form, regardless of any perceived 'benefit'. I agree with the means being as important as the end.

[ElNono]

Intel was gathered at one of the so-called "black sites" (that the left is so fond of), so I wonder if Obama will follow through on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_159950.html

Probably not, much like Gitmo or pulling out of Afghanistan, and many more things he hasn't followed through on...

[LnGrrrR]

This pic can't be accurate. According to WC, Obama wasn't aware of the operation and was caught off guard by it just before making his long-awaited Sunday evening tornado speech.

[LnGrrrR]

Self-pwned by my speed reading. But it does raise an interesting hypothetical. The interogators didn't know (hindsight's always 20-20) that their conventional interrogation techniques produced actionable intel. But, if you were 100% certain that waterboarding would lead you to OBL, would you support it.

I already know where WineyHole and Lngrrr stand.

That's the sticking point for me. In the real world, it's never 100% whether info will be produced, or if it is, whether it will be verifiable.

It's as useful as saying, "Would you allow torture to US suspects if you knew they would give up information on where the missing bodies?" The implication is that all those who are tortured are a) guilty and b) definitely know actionable intel.

Keep it illegal, and if people go outside the boundaries of law, let a jury decide if it was the right or wrong decision. (That's my view, anyways.)

[ManuBalboa]

lol people trying to analyze this. You will never know the truth.


We all going to act like OBL isn't cryogenically frozen underneath the Pentagon?

[Nbadan]

Pakistan did its part (by Pakistan's President)...

My government endorses the words of President Obama and appreciates the credit he gave us Sunday night for the successful operation in Khyber Pakhtunkhawa. We also applaud and endorse the words of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that we must “press forward, bolstering our partnerships, strengthening our networks, investing in a positive vision of peace and progress, and relentlessly pursuing the murderers who target innocent people.” We have not yet won this war, but we now clearly can see the beginning of the end, and the kind of South and Central Asia that lies in our future.

Washington Post

Obama's primary challenger maybe Hillary again..I think she is lending great credibility to a possible 2016 run....