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  1. #101
    Abe Lincoln, NlGGA Kyle Orton's Avatar
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    um yeah sounds cool...........lol UTSA

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    Reagan and his cronies didn't give two s about helping the Afghans when the Soviets invaded, his only goal was to make the Soviets look like the losers and the US look like the winners.

    In the process, they empowered the most powerful terrorist organization in the world.
    It was payback for them doing the exact same thing to us in Vietnam. At the time the US government probably couldn't believe its luck- five years after Vietnam the Soviets were putting themselves in the same position and giving us the same opportunity to bleed them white without shedding any blood of our own.

    Obviously it backfired.

    To be fair it was the Carter Administration that first funded the mujahadeen. Reagan just picked up where Carter left off.

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    Not surprising. I took the class "middle eastern humanities" my freshman year to fill the "diversity class" requirement Arizona has, and for a full week the teacher had a unit where all she basically did was show pictures of 12 year old Palestinian kids stranded and injured in the middle of a war zone. I knew the class was bull and I should just get my A and move on, but I find it hilarious no one ever wonders what the Palestinian children are doing in the middle of war zones running up to Israelis, and why the someone is taking pictures of nothing but injured Palestinians in the middle of a war zone where a bomb can go off anywhere.
    Because Israelis roll tanks and bulldozers through their neighborhood





    You forget about the 2006 Israeli-Lebanon conflict where there was a 35 to 1 death ratio?

  4. #104
    Consider how many innocent Afghan's we killed the past 6 years searching for Bin Laden while he was hanging out in Pakistan (our buddies)


    Let's put this in perspective
    9/11: Nearly 3,000 dead

    Afghan war 2001-2004: up to 20,000 dead
    2005: 1,700 dead
    2006: 4,400 dead
    2007: 7,700 dead
    2008: over 2,000 dead
    2009: over 2,000 dead


    So because of the deaths of 3,000 people, America was behind and assisted (with coalition) the death of nearly 40,000

    Do that math 3k vs 40k

    UN-FKN-BELIEVABLE. That's 40,000+ new recruits against America


    *Keep in mind these are deaths we have accounted for. The real number is probably around 50,000-100,000 dead

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    Do that math 3k vs 40k
    You'd rather it be the other way around?

    Look, I'm not very keen on this war either. I felt at the beginning we should have put a multi-million dollar bounty on bin Laden's head and allowed private individuals to pursue him.

    But if my country is in a war I'd sure as NOT want to be the one absorbing 95 percent of the casualties. I'd rather that be the other side, thank you very much.

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    You'd rather it be the other way around?

    Look, I'm not very keen on this war either. I felt at the beginning we should have put a multi-million dollar bounty on bin Laden's head and allowed private individuals to pursue him.

    But if my country is in a war I'd sure as NOT want to be the one absorbing 95 percent of the casualties. I'd rather that be the other side, thank you very much.
    The fact Bin Laden's been hiding in USA's buddies place for 6 years while we wasted American lives, Afghan civilians, & bottomless money has to be a very bitter pill to swallow

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    What a stupid discussions.

  8. #108
    I asked for your opinion on why you think it would be better if he were alive.

    You passed off other information as fact, whether you realize it or not.
    Nope. Anyone who believe I was stating facts when discussing my opinions and "whatifs" doesn't understand the concept of opinions and "whatifs".

    If you want to say that the US indrectly aided Al Queda somewhere down the line, that's fine.
    lol. Indirectly. Bloody organization would likely not exist if it wasn't for the US.

    Strawman says hey.
    Now that's just funny, considering your entire debate strategy is based on argument framing and logical fallacies.

    I've never seen you participate in discussion when you weren't just stretching arguments so far into specifics that they are unrecognizable.

    It's fun and entertaining at times, but leaves me not taking you seriously

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    You do know that he was against the war, right? Just because a guy supports soldiers doesn't mean he supports war. "Courtesy of the Red White and Blue" was written after we went to war, and it was supporting our soldiers. "American Soldier.." same thing. The guy is constantly going to USO shows taking no money whatsoever, so you can't say it's about money...he's turned down constant paying tour dates to do so.
    If I was a soldier I'd jump into the line of fire rather than listen to some uneducated trailer park junkie sing that music. him and his exploitation of the troops.

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    If I was a soldier I'd jump into the line of fire rather than listen to some uneducated trailer park junkie sing that music. him and his exploitation of the troops.
    The NFL forum can never have enough Dr. Gonzo

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    Consider how many innocent Afghan's we killed the past 6 years searching for Bin Laden while he was hanging out in Pakistan (our buddies)


    Let's put this in perspective
    9/11: Nearly 3,000 dead

    Afghan war 2001-2004: up to 20,000 dead
    2005: 1,700 dead
    2006: 4,400 dead
    2007: 7,700 dead
    2008: over 2,000 dead
    2009: over 2,000 dead


    So because of the deaths of 3,000 people, America was behind and assisted (with coalition) the death of nearly 40,000

    Do that math 3k vs 40k

    UN-FKN-BELIEVABLE. That's 40,000+ new recruits against America


    *Keep in mind these are deaths we have accounted for. The real number is probably around 50,000-100,000 dead
    Just a question: Where'd you get the numbers from?

    And yes, I think any unintended casualty is a tragedy, and will be used further to make new terrorists.

    You're still dumb for implying that cheering for 9/11 = cheering Osama is dead.

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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    If I was a soldier I'd jump into the line of fire rather than listen to some uneducated trailer park junkie sing that music. him and his exploitation of the troops.
    Where were you, when they made that ladder to Heaven?

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    Where were you, when they made that ladder to Heaven?
    I was doing what every red blooded American should have been doing after 9/11. I was ing a Muslim from the back with her burka pulled up over her head.

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    I was doing what every red blooded American should have been doing after 9/11. I was ing a Muslim from the back with her burka pulled up over her head.

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    I was doing what every red blooded American should have been doing after 9/11. I was ing a Muslim from the back with her burka pulled up over her head.
    Someone must've missed that South Park episode.

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    I basically agree Joe, anyone who thinks the US became the world's most powerful country without any dirty tricks and empowering the wrong people for political gain behind the scenes is delusional and stupid.

    But the US didn't need to empower the Mujahiddin and set up their own government just to have a symbolic victory over the Soviets. Reagan and his cronies didn't give two s about helping the Afghans when the Soviets invaded, his only goal was to make the Soviets look like the losers and the US look like the winners.

    In the process, they empowered the most powerful terrorist organization in the world.
    What's the most powerful terrorist organization in the world?

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    Where were you, when they made that ladder to Heaven?
    "Did it make you cry, or did you think it was kinda gay?"

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    Nope. Anyone who believe I was stating facts when discussing my opinions and "whatifs" doesn't understand the concept of opinions and "whatifs".
    I understand how you passed off your opinion as fact, whether you realize it or not.

    lol. Indirectly. Bloody organization would likely not exist if it wasn't for the US.
    Clear it up. Does or doesn't the US have itself to blame for 9/11?

    Now that's just funny, considering your entire debate strategy is based on argument framing and logical fallacies.

    I've never seen you participate in discussion when you weren't just stretching arguments so far into specifics that they are unrecognizable.

    It's fun and entertaining at times, but leaves me not taking you seriously
    What you think about my posts from previous threads is irrelevant to the strawman you propped up in this thread.

    However, seeing someone get butthurt and make up something about my debate strategy instead of acknowledging the obvious fallacy they propped up in this thread is more entertaining, imo.

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    If I was a soldier I'd jump into the line of fire rather than listen to some uneducated trailer park junkie sing that music. him and his exploitation of the troops.
    OK..that's fine..I don't give a what you think of his music..I think he's ok..not a big fan of his newer stuff at all..but that doesn't change his feelings about the war.

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    ''The athletic apparel company Champion has decided it no longer wants to be associated with Rashard Mendenhall, days after Mendenhall wrote on Twitter that he didn’t believe hijacked planes caused the collapse of the World Trade Center, and that people shouldn’t celebrate the death of Osama bin Laden.''

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    Clear it up. Does or doesn't the US have itself to blame for 9/11?
    I've never talked about blame. I said we enabled them to do it via training, funding, and outfitting al Qaeda's predecessor, then pissing them off.

    What you think about my posts from previous threads is irrelevant to the strawman you propped up in this thread.

    However, seeing someone get butthurt and make up something about my debate strategy instead of acknowledging the obvious fallacy they propped up in this thread is more entertaining, imo.
    Actually, I have no problem admitting I toss in the occassional strawman and other logical fallacies. Never denied it was a fallacy, just that it was funny you pointing it out :p

    We've had that discussion before, and we've well established I don't give a crap about the outcome of a discussion as long as it's fun for me :p

    And I made up nothing about your debate strategy. I have never seen you offer one shred of information to a discussion. You're all about picking a target and trying to tear it down. I do that myself sometimes (tweaking people is fun).

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    OK..that's fine..I don't give a what you think of his music..I think he's ok..not a big fan of his newer stuff at all..but that doesn't change his feelings about the war.
    That doesn't change his bank account either on all the money he got from exploiting 9/11.

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