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If you shoot the ball every time you get it, you are bound to have one of those nights.
Why does one have to have an extraordinary game to show leadership and a killer instinct? Isnt winning 5 rings being batman or Robin good enough?
If you shoot the ball every time you get it, you are bound to have one of those nights.
Game Four of the 2000 NBA Finals
Game One 2009 Finals
Game Four 2009 against the Jazz
Game 6 against the Suns
Game 7 2000 WCF
Now if you say, "those arent elimination games so it dont count"...then i say thats when your logic is dumb.
The Skunker™ was re-released this year on Blu-Ray.
Its good enough to be considered a great player but never enough to cement a players status among the All Time Greats.
There's a reason why players like Shaq, MJ, Jordan, Bird, Russell, Duncan & Kareem no matter what happens are safe in the Top 10 list.
Kobe's a Top 10 now but can you say with certainty that he'll always be there 10-15 years from now? No, because Kobe, as great as he is never had a memorable performance in the biggest stage of his career.
ok whatever...i aint gonna waste my time trying to get trolled. If thats YOUR criteria, so be it.
Game Four of the 2000 NBA Finals
Game One 2009 Finals- Game 1, its not how you start but how you finish but I did give Kobe credit in this series as I stated earlier
Game Four 2009 against the Jazz-ROUND 1
Game 6 against the Suns- Lakers were Eliminated, skunked the next game
Game 7 2000 WCF- SHAQ
Now if you say, "those arent elimination games so it dont count"...then i say thats when your logic is dumb.
The Skunker!!!
So misguided and shallow. Several examples off the top of my head in which Kobe was the key to success
against the toughest teams the Lakers faced in their early championship runs.
In Game 7 of the 2000 WCF against the Blazers Kobe was the MVP of that game with a tremendous all around performance 25/11/7 and guarding Pippen into a 3-10 shooting performance in what was the real NBA finals. Blazers > Pacers that year.
Kobe dominated a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2001 and was the MVP of that series in what was again the real NBA finals . Spurs > 76ers that year.
In 2002 the Lakers/Kings WCF was the real NBA finals. Kings > Nets that year. In game 7 Kobe put up 30/10/7.
Yeah Kobe never played well when it mattered.
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Dont even bother namlook. CR wants a scenario in which the team is sucking and Kobe needs to take the load. And it only counts if it occurs in a Game 7 or in elimination game in the Finals. It also doesnt matter if he took over every other game, but has to only occur in those scenarios stated. It also doesnt matter if his team wins elimination games or wins championships like Kobe does.
Kobe has never done that, therefore he does not have leadership and killer instincts.
i know i know..its dumb...but then again its CR.
LOL. You can't just pick a few games and not look at the whole picture. That's just idiotic.
No one really remembers WCF performances. People will always point out that Shaq averaged 38 and 16 in the Finals and 3 Finals MVP's. That's what matters.
I mean does anyone remember when Dirk Nowitzki scored a Mavericks franchise record of 50 points, including 22 in the fourth quarter against the Suns in 2006 WCF?
lol more people remember WCF series in the 3-peat era more then the Finals.
I bet people dont even remember who came out of the east those years. haha
Fisher has always been the leader. When Kobe was going wild last year in Game 7, guess who pulled him on the side advising him to take it easy?
Yes, you guessed right.
ahh..thanks for enlightening me.
It doesn't matter what the casual and less knowledgeable fans remember. That's irrelevant. Those of us that know what really happened know that Kobe put up huge performances against the toughest teams the Lakers faced each year of the Lakers threepeat.
In Game 7 of the 2000 WCF against the Blazers Kobe was the MVP of that game with a tremendous all around performance 25/11/7 and guarding Pippen into a 3-10 shooting performance in what was the real NBA finals. Blazers > Pacers that year.
Kobe dominated a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2001 and was the MVP of that series in what was again the real NBA finals . Spurs > 76ers that year.
In 2002 the Lakers/Kings WCF was the real NBA finals. Kings > Nets that year. In game 7 Kobe put up 30/10/7 .
elimination games right there. Booyah!
I'm going to stop now. Bulls Heat is up anytime soon.
Kobe's a great player and I enjoy watching him play sometimes. What I said is just my opinion. If you look at some of the most memorable performances in NBA history its no coincidence some of the most iconic names are there as well, Kobe's career has been the exact opposite so far.
The finals is a too small sample, there are anomalies. You have Worthy with a finals MVP, but that doesn't mean he was a better player that season than Magic. Neither was Dumars better than Isaiah the season he won the MVP. Nor was Maxwell better than Bird when he won an finals MVP.
Magic, Isaiah, and Bird weren't stat padders, they played the right way and did what had to be done to win. MJ and Kobe starting from the 03/04 season tended to dominate FGA's so they had better scoring stats than anyone. Which in MJ's case was natural because the Bulls were very successful, in Kobe's case he had to be yelled by Fisher to stop taking so many bad shots and Kobe got to the promised land with the help of Gasol and Artest.
The differences of Duncan with Manu or Parker wasn't huge in 2005 and 2007, as it was in the 2003 and 1999 championships, when Duncan was head and shoulders the Spurs best player. But he was still the Spurs batman for that two last championships. Duncan was instrumental to reach the finals in 2007, IMO it's certain he was the Spurs playoffs MVP that season.
The Cavs were shorthanded at PG, Duncan has very high BB IQ and knows how to play to win, so the Spurs were able to capitalize on that. Even so, there wasn't a big difference with Duncan's stats.
A part from scoring Duncan anchored the defense in the paint, rebounded at very high rate and blocked shots. In the end, at the same scoring level, bigs have higher impact in the game than other players, except for a talented pass first PG's.
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That was round 1 too. Why wasn't that one comical, ChrisRichards?
I agree here...thats why Kobe could have easily been the best player in the playoffs in some of the 3 peat years.
If you look at it without without any implications, 62 was more amazing. Now bring in the cir stances, Dirk's 48 weighs more. They also needed each and one of those 48 points
if Kobe only scored around 48 points, then we can say the lakers needed each one of those 48 points too right...but he scored more to make sure they get the win. That shouldnt penalize Kobe cuz he blew them out.
Nice regular season accomplishment, lakerfan.
well thats the scenario CR gave.
We can compare championship rings if you'd like, but you probably already know what cully would say, dallasfan.
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