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    Now, Tony Parker in a different jersey? Odd, but not inconceivable, and that's where they have to start. And this is in no way to discredit what TP has contributed to the Spurs. It's simply that he's not enough of a playmaker at point guard to raise the level of those around him.

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    The problem with trading Parker is that it would likely open one can of worms to close another.

    What the Spurs need are size and athleticism. If you trade Parker to obtain that, you aren't ALSO going to get a point guard in return who is nearly comparable. What you are left with is a shored-up front line and a hole at the point that Hill is not ready to fill.

    This is why Hill may be the more likely trade target. His role is more expendable to the team, and easier to fill by finding another league journeyman, than trying to fill the starting point guard shoes of Parker.
    Disagree, If the Spurs do get a big guy who is capable on both ends of the floor then all Hill would have to do is make sure the big guys (Duncan and Skilled Big?) get the ball in the post plenty of times and then work from there. Any decent Pg, can do that.

    If you trade TP you dont go looking for a player like him, you change the system and players roles. If TP gives you 20pts 5ast a game, you dont trade for a big and then ask Hill to do something similar. If the Spurs get a ideal big guy next to Duncan you want him taking the majority of TP's shots not Hill. Thats already the problem with the Spurs now, Guards are running around without boundaries and Splitter(in particular) need to get more touches in the Post. Look at what happen to OKC when a scoring point guard is not given a leash (Such as feed the league leading scorer first before you take ANY shots).

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    If Manu Ginobili didn't break his arm and if Tim Duncan didn't sprain his ankle, there is a good chance we'd be playing Miami for the championship right now. Does everybody forget that?

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    If Manu Ginobili didn't break his arm and if Tim Duncan didn't sprain his ankle, there is a good chance we'd be playing Miami for the championship right now. Does everybody forget that?
    If only Spurs would have made all of their shots they would be unbeatable!!!

    Some of us Spurs fans are now sounding like the Phoenix suns fans, they had an excuse for everything. With all what is said and done it comes down to that the Spurs just got beat.

    Well, Spurs now play more like the Suns so I guess it's only natural for the fans to act like their fans as well.

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    If Manu Ginobili didn't break his arm and if Tim Duncan didn't sprain his ankle, there is a good chance we'd be playing Miami for the championship right now. Does everybody forget that?

    still got some of that 2007 herb huh man?

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    We should trade TP. There's no need to keep him throughout the rebuilding process after TD, Manu, and Pop retire. Play chess with the pieces you have until the 2014 season when Bonner's and RJ's contracts expire (if they haven't been traded yet).

    With all the freed up cap space, we can fully rebuild the team. Use the next three years to evaluate whether Splitter and Hill can carry the team like we all hope they can... the more realistic expectation would be that their progression these next 3 years should make them valuable trade assets or great role players.

    Keeping TP would guarantee mediocrity. Never good enough to compete, but never bad enough to strike a lottery pick.

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    I'm all for trading Parker, but this is just an awful trade idea. God awful.

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    The FO needs to find an International somewhere that no one has ever heard of like say, A Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili, that has athleticism and a willingness to run through a brick wall to win a basketball game. That athlete's name is most definitely not Richard Jefferson.
    They can keep the Big 3 as long as they find an ATHLETIC one player with major hops and can play at least 25 minutes of low-mistake basketball.

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    The FO needs to find an International somewhere that no one has ever heard of like say, A Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili, that has athleticism and a willingness to run through a brick wall to win a basketball game. That athlete's name is most definitely not Richard Jefferson.
    They can keep the Big 3 as long as they find an ATHLETIC one player with major hops and can play at least 25 minutes of low-mistake basketball.
    You've just described Viktor Sanikidze.

    Unfortunately the Spurs would rather pay RJ and Bonner a combined 40+ million the next 3 years and play them unreasonably than ever give a chance to someone who plays with serious passion with the athleticism to go with it.

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    if you move TP, it's to start the total rebuild a bit earlier than might be done otherwise.

    there aren't going to be any players you can trade him for that would help to re-open the current window, and it's ridiculous to speculate otherwise. did you see the crap returns that were being thrown about for him last year?
    The FO needs to find an International somewhere that no one has ever heard of like say, A Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili, that has athleticism and a willingness to run through a brick wall to win a basketball game. That athlete's name is most definitely not Richard Jefferson.
    They can keep the Big 3 as long as they find an ATHLETIC one player with major hops and can play at least 25 minutes of low-mistake basketball.
    You've just described Viktor Sanikidze.

    Unfortunately the Spurs would rather pay RJ and Bonner a combined 40+ million the next 3 years and play them unreasonably than ever give a chance to someone who plays with serious passion with the athleticism to go with it.
    , this offseason is getting freaking hillarious and its only may...Now an average Euro player is the answer to all the spurs problems, wow..

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    lol @ Sanikidze. Who's next? Karaulov?

    The problem the Spurs are facing ( regarding being a contender ) is that the big 3 are not good enough any more. No RJ or Bonner or Chris Quinn replacement will change this.

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    At this point there's no giving Timmy one last shot. It would be getting Timmy to the ring. Tim is not powerhouse Tim any longer. Building around him isn't a wise move. Instead, look beyond Tim and consider who you can acquire or develop to build a team around. Manu and Tony are still capable, so they need at least one good big, probably two, but Tiago will have a bigger role. Otherwise the team is fine and we are stuck with Bonner.

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    oh look, the popsucker brigade has descended upon this thread to give us all their 2 cents

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    , this offseason is getting freaking hillarious and its only may...Now an average Euro player is the answer to all the spurs problems, wow..
    lol @ Sanikidze. Who's next? Karaulov?
    You guys do know that Sanikidze was an Italian League all-star this year, right? Probably not, but ignorance is bliss for Spurs fans.

    Sanikidze is a role player who does what he does very well: finish athletically, shoot a high percentage, hit threes, rebound at a higher level than he should, and play with intensity and passion.

    RJ can't do any of those things well anymore, and neither can Bonner in the playoffs.

    I'd rather watch a scrub who can do something and do it with passion than watch overpaid scrubs constantly fail their way to Spurs fan misery.

    This isn't about Sanikidze putting the Spurs back into contention. The Spurs are finished as contenders. This is about being able to watch Spurs games without the joy being sapped by lazy, soft, overpaid chokers like Jefferson and Bonner.

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    Bucher's recent thoughts on Parker, nothing groundbreaking :

    Andrew (Texas)

    Do you see Parker in a Spurs uniform next season? It's getting difficult to see that after the comments he made last week and because he is the only real trade chip that the Spurs have.

    Ric Bucher (3:58 PM)

    I'd say he's the most likely to be moved. It isn't just his comments the other day. TP has gone off the reservation a bit in how the Spurs like their players to conduct themselves. A trust has been broken and that's very big in the SA culture.


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