Meltdown.

[Wild Cobra]

Fukushima plant suffered triple meltdown



There are many other articles to that effect.

Meltdown in three reactors, cracks in the containment vessels, and all sorts of nasty going down.

It will be years before this is really fully contained, and decades before it is cleaned up to any reasonable degree, by what I have read.

Don't get me wrong, I agree this is serious. I just refuse to accept the way some people frame the facts.

[Agloco]

Personally it seemed VERY obvious to me that we were not getting the entire truth about this.

I am not hand-wavy hysterical about it, but anybody with any common sense could see that the nuclear people were being oh-so-cir spect.

You never get the whole truth in this type of situation unfortunately. That has to do with CYA on TEPCOs part as much as it has to do with not having eyes directly on the situation. You're left with taking proper precautions and preparing for a worst case scenario. This is where the Japanese failed IMO.

I think it was obvious to most radiation workers that a meltdown was likely. After that, there were many shades of gray. You must prepare for the darkest shade though. It's very unfortunate that we got one of the darkest shades possible.

[mouse]

We're still waiting. I go grab a Snickers...........

regular or king size? one takes longer to get down to the nuts. look out for that creamy nougat!

[mouse]

Vacuous personal attacks are the first sign of surrender on a topic.

wheres the quote?

If you can't acknowledge that there are topical experts in a field who know more than you do, or more than the the people who write for the websites you get your information from, then it is readily obvious that you are not being honest.

what do you consider an expert? a piece of paper on the wall? Look at the so called experts from Japan that lied to the world. You give these so called experts to much credit. I use common sense and reality your pals with the white coats use text book analogies. These are the same experts that claimed tobacco was good for you. over the years eggs, coffee and weed was bad for you 5 years later it's good for you now its.....these so called experts have they're heads deep in their asses.

At some point, one has to simply acknowledge that the people who study stuff for decades tend to get things right a lot more often than your average blogger at infowars.com.

Kinda like at some point people like Rush,Glenn Beck,and the 9/11 commission, were to be taken serious?


Don't reduce someone because they don't drive a Lexus or went to MIT.

[jack sommerset]

I have not paid much attention to this story....Has anyone died yet from the after effects of meltdown?

[ChumpDumper]

I have not paid much attention to this story....Has anyone died yet from the after effects of meltdown?

Write a letter.

[jack sommerset]

Write a letter.

Go suck some , .

[George Gervin's Afro]

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[ChumpDumper]

Go suck some , .

Are you an alpha male, jack?

Is it normal for an alpha male like you to talk about sexual acts as much as you do?

[mouse]

how to get back on track.....................

[RandomGuy]

You never get the whole truth in this type of situation unfortunately. That has to do with CYA on TEPCOs part as much as it has to do with not having eyes directly on the situation. You're left with taking proper precautions and preparing for a worst case scenario. This is where the Japanese failed IMO.

I think it was obvious to most radiation workers that a meltdown was likely. After that, there were many shades of gray. You must prepare for the darkest shade though. It's very unfortunate that we got one of the darkest shades possible.

Three full out meltdowns is about as bad as it gets. If the containment was breached or cracked, as seems to be the case, yikes.

Even the Japanese, who are famous for strong pressures to not make waves, have got to be pissed about this.

Someone needs to be handed a seppuku knife, and told to do the right thing.

[Winehole23]

Radioactive soil in pockets of areas near Japan's crippled nuclear plant have reached the same level as Chernobyl, where a "dead zone" remains 25 years after the reactor in the former Soviet Union exploded.

Soil samples in areas outside the 20-kilometer (12 miles) exclusion zone around the Fukushima plant measured more than 1.48 million becquerels a square meter, the standard used for evacuating residents after the Chernobyl accident, Tomio Kawata, a fellow at the Nuclear Waste Management Organization of Japan, said in a research report published May 24 and given to the government.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...LS9HQ5EHL3.DTL

[TheInternets]

Are you an alpha male, jack?

Is it normal for an alpha male like you to talk about sexual acts as much as you do?

[Agloco]

I have not paid much attention to this story....Has anyone died yet from the after effects of meltdown?

If you'd familiarize yourself with the health effects of radiation and the dose rates involved, you'd realize that you're a bit premature with this question.

[RandomGuy]

Radioactive soil in pockets of areas near Japan's crippled nuclear plant have reached the same level as Chernobyl, where a "dead zone" remains 25 years after the reactor in the former Soviet Union exploded.

Soil samples in areas outside the 20-kilometer (12 miles) exclusion zone around the Fukushima plant measured more than 1.48 million becquerels a square meter, the standard used for evacuating residents after the Chernobyl accident, Tomio Kawata, a fellow at the Nuclear Waste Management Organization of Japan, said in a research report published May 24 and given to the government.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...LS9HQ5EHL3.DTL

Oh, by the way, this is nothing even remotely close to Chernobyl. What part of that don't YOU understand?

Whoopsies.

[Cry Havoc]

Sorry RG, but I don't think you can compare this to the level of catastrophe that Chernobyl was. It's horrible, but not nearly as severe, as far as we know.

[RandomGuy]

Sorry RG, but I don't think you can compare this to the level of catastrophe that Chernobyl was. It's horrible, but not nearly as severe, as far as we know.

With the emphasis on the last five words.

While it does not equal Chernobyl, the more we find out, the closer it seems to get.

I am not going to get all hand-wavy hysterical ala mouse, but then the other end of the spectrum such as Darrins assertion that the accident isn't even remotely close to it, also seem a bit thin at this point.

We won't really know how bad it is until we really get in there, and someone other than TEPCO who can be considered vaguely independent gives us an assessment. My guess is that we *still* have not quite gotten all the details or a full accounting of how bad it is.

[mouse]

Sorry RG, but I don't think you can compare this to the level of catastrophe that Chernobyl was. It's horrible, but not nearly as severe, as far as we know.

What are you using as a scale? The fact that Chernobyl was at a time when the cold war was still warm and people were already scared of this new thing called Nuclear power?

At least The RUSSIANS started pouring lead and cement and were already tunneling underneath to keep the meltdown secure as not to reach the water underneath. While Japan was lucky if they updated they're facebook page.

The only reason Chernobyl is still today the most famous of all meltdowns is because still today you can see kids born with no limbs and we have film of the nearest town still empty no life after 25 years. back in the 80s everyone including Johnny Carson had some glow in the dark joke. The Japan accident happened after the world got to lazy to give a . "it's over their" Ann Cold cuts and the media have already desensitize us with 9/11 and Iraq.

Just wait until you see the raw footage of the deformed babies and no fish or life in the seas then come in here with your Las Vegas style odds on how this disaster is any better than Chernobyl. where's your science now?

[Winehole23]

Memorable witticism:

what was your banana theory?

[Cry Havoc]

What are you using as a scale? The fact that Chernobyl was at a time when the cold war was still warm and people were already scared of this new thing called Nuclear power?

At least The RUSSIANS started pouring lead and cement and were already tunneling underneath to keep the meltdown secure as not to reach the water underneath. While Japan was lucky if they updated they're facebook page.

Are you serious? For days the USSR initially did NOTHING about the crisis. They informed no one, and only capitulated to admitting that there was ANY sort of problem when European countries began reporting radioactive isotopes in their rain.

The only reason Chernobyl is still today the most famous of all meltdowns is because still today you can see kids born with no limbs and we have film of the nearest town still empty no life after 25 years. back in the 80s everyone including Johnny Carson had some glow in the dark joke. The Japan accident happened after the world got to lazy to give a . "it's over their" Ann Cold cuts and the media have already desensitize us with 9/11 and Iraq.

This is absolute revisionist fallacy. NO ONE knew about Chernobyl for quite some time after it happened. You can look up the youtube recordings, the meltdown barely even warrants a mention on the news beyond a vague description of an explosion. If you want, I can link you. This most recent disaster covered the news for WEEKS. I would go so far as to say that even the 5th most powerful earthquake ever recorded took a backseat to the situation at Fukushima.

Just wait until you see the raw footage of the deformed babies and no fish or life in the seas then come in here with your Las Vegas style odds on how this disaster is any better than Chernobyl. where's your science now?

Strawman, ad hominem, got anything else that's completely unsubstantiated to lob into this thread?

[Agloco]

The International Society of Nuclear Medicine (ISNM) is in town this week at Henry B Gonzales and I've hit the open bar quite hard between my talks.......

Radioactive soil in pockets of areas near Japan's crippled nuclear plant have reached the same level as Chernobyl, where a "dead zone" remains 25 years after the reactor in the former Soviet Union exploded.

How big are they? Where are they located? Were those areas previously populated?

I'd like to know a bit more. Unfortunately, we're not getting all of the information needed for an accurate assessment. That much became obvious in the early going.

Soil samples in areas outside the 20-kilometer (12 miles) exclusion zone around the Fukushima plant measured more than 1.48 million becquerels a square meter, the standard used for evacuating residents after the Chernobyl accident, Tomio Kawata, a fellow at the Nuclear Waste Management Organization of Japan, said in a research report published May 24 and given to the government.

1.48 x 10^6 Bq = 40 microCuries


For reference, that's about 1.5 million disintegrations (decays) per second per square meter. Pretty hefty ulative doses can be had if you're around that for extended periods of time.

That's 40 uCi per square meter in outdoor spaces. You certainly can't allow people to live there with those activity levels. You certainly cant farm anything. Cs-137 is the main culprit. They'll need to conjugate it and get rid of as much as possible.

In a word: ty

[boutons_deux]

The Kamikazes Are Back!

Japanese Retirees Ready to Risk Fukushima Front Line

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-ready-to-risk

[boutons_deux]

Japan doubles plant radiation leak estimate

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/0...e+Raw+Story%29

[Winehole23]

The disaster is rated a maximum seven on the international nuclear accident scale, the same level as the Chernobyl meltdown 25 years ago.

[hater]

"this is nothing like Chernobyl"

anybody who keeps saying this is in a sad state of affairs