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    Series is not over yet.. If Bron averages 25 a game on 50% does he really deserve to take in winning the
    LeBron is a great player, and the best regular season performer we've seen in years. He's had a great playoffs (reminiscent of 2007) as well. I see no reason to give him for finally winning, albeit as Robin. Winning is winning.

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    I'd definitely take the Hornets over ATL and IND.
    Yeah, you're probably right tbh

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    I don't know if it's that. I just don't think he has the go-to offensive move. That's why he can look so off-kilter in these big games against good defensive teams. He doesn't have that move he can always go back to. It's either kamakazi charges into the lane or hero-type jumpers. When he isn't getting calls and the jumpers aren't dropping he doesn't have anything to fall back on.
    Yet he's the player with most game winning shots since he got to the league.

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    You also don't want a PG keeping the ball out of Wade and Lebron's hands.
    You have to get it into their hands. When Lebron or Wade was bringing the ball up the court, no one had to meet them at the halfcourt. When they get set up and allow a PG to bring it up, there are two dangerous weapons that don't even have the ball yet and are in motion.

    that's your argument? A washed up Mike Bibby?
    Is that your best response, incredulity?

    The Heat brought in Bibby for a reason. Maybe you should consider they could have stayed with what they had.

    People called Kidd washed up as well.
    The last 20 years support my stance. My stance is that you can't win a championship with a team built around a PG.
    It depends on the team. If you put Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard with Derrick Rose, do you think you could win a championship?
    Derrick Rose would be the Robin, but no I'd still take Miami.
    The whole "robin" talk is stupid. You honestly do not think Rose makes a 5pt difference between these two teams? Seriously?

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    Bibby has been terrible this post season. The Heat ed up on that one.

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    Yet he's the player with most game winning shots since he got to the league.
    LeBron didn't hit a buzzer-beating, end-of-game, winning shot until late in his third season, when he hit a jumper to beat Charlotte.

    He didn't hit a buzzer-beating, end-of-game, winning shot to overcome a deficit until midway through his sixth season, when he hit a jumper to beat Golden State.

    I'd like to see the definition of "game-winning shot" you're using.

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    Which is strange, because LeBron himself has accepted it. That's why he went to Miami, isn't it? So he wouldn't have to carry a team?

    Nothing wrong with being uber-Pippen. Scottie Pippen was a of a player.
    He went to Miami so he wouldn't have to do it all by himself. He's the Heat best player and he proved it during the regular season and in these playoffs.

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    That really makes no sense. The playoffs are just a series of games against regular season teams. The Spurs have proven that a solid PG does wonders for the team in the Finals. Detroit did the same thing. Your evidence against that is an absurdly stacked team like the Heat, the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq, and MJ/Pippen. Each of these teams had PGs, but those PGs didn't dominate the court like the top 5 in the league does.

    Now you do have a point if you say money is better spent on other positions and leave the PG weaker as the PG doesn't normally rebound the ball or defend the paint.
    In the regular season, Steve Nash can dribble the ball around in circles, and wait for a re ed team like the Clippers or Warriors to make some re ed defensive mistake, or wait for someone from the other team to not hustle and not fight hard through a screen since it's the regular season and no one is playing hard.

    In the playoffs, against good defensive teams that are in win-now mode and are focused, PGs end up over dribbling because over a 7 game series teams start making adjustments and realize that teams built around a PG are like a snake, you cut off the head and the rest of the body stops functioning.

    If you want a championship team with multiple scoring threats that can't get shut down by defensive adjustments, the only PG playing a major role will be a PG like Parker who was a scoring guard and didn't need the ball in his hands on every possession. A volume assist ball dominant PG can only play a major role on a championship team when he's a 6'9" freak like Magic who can also make a finals winning sky hook over two 7 footers.

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    LeBron didn't hit a buzzer-beating, end-of-game, winning shot until late in his third season, when he hit a jumper to beat Charlotte.

    He didn't hit a buzzer-beating, end-of-game, winning shot to overcome a deficit until midway through his sixth season, when he hit a jumper to beat Golden State.

    I'd like to see the definition of "game-winning shot" you're using.
    I'm not using anything, I'm just recalling an Espn stat showed earlier this season.

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    He doesn't want to be the man. He has all but said as much, repeatedly.
    You have any quotes to back that up? I doubt it...

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    I'm not using anything, I'm just recalling an Espn stat showed earlier this season.
    Well, whatever.

    Look, I watched pretty much every game LeBron played his first seven years in the league. For the first 47 minutes and 50 seconds I'll take him over anyone.

    For the last ten seconds, though, if I need someone to hit a shot to win the game, there are a bunch of guys I take over LeBron.

    Great, great player. But I don't want to rely on him hitting a jump shot at the end of a game.

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    You have to get it into their hands. When Lebron or Wade was bringing the ball up the court, no one had to meet them at the halfcourt. When they get set up and allow a PG to bring it up, there are two dangerous weapons that don't even have the ball yet and are in motion.
    Yeah, man it takes a great PG to bring the ball up and pass it to one of them. It's not like every ing starting PG in the NBA can advance the ball up the court.

    Is that your best response, incredulity?

    The Heat brought in Bibby for a reason. Maybe you should consider they could have stayed with what they had.
    Yeah, he's a good spot up shooter. That's the role PGs have had on most championship teams in recent years, spot up shooting.

    It depends on the team. If you put Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard with Derrick Rose, do you think you could win a championship?
    1) That team would never happen
    2) Rose would be a role player on a team with Lebron, Wade and Howard.

    The whole "robin" talk is stupid.
    Not really. I said you can't build a championship team around a PG. The Mavs wouldn't be built around a PG even if they had Rose.

    You honestly do not think Rose makes a 5pt difference between these two teams? Seriously?
    Not much of one. The games would go down to the wire regardless, where the ball would be in Dirk's hands and Rose would be playing off ball. Crunch time in the playoffs is when PGs have the most minimal impact.

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    He went to Miami so he wouldn't have to do it all by himself. He's the Heat best player and he proved it during the regular season and in these playoffs.
    He's been a clear #2 these Finals. In fact, Bosh had the GW shot and more points tonight, so maybe it's not a clear cut #2 afterall...

    This is LeBron we're talking about here...The Chosen One. So far we're all witnesses to a Finals with sub-regular season statistics and poor 4th quarter decisions.


    These are things we know.

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    I'm not using anything, I'm just recalling an Espn stat showed earlier this season.
    So basically you've been talking out of your ass this entire time?

    K thx.

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    He's been a clear #2 these Finals. In fact, Bosh had the GW shot and more points tonight, so maybe it's not a clear cut #2 afterall...

    This is LeBron we're talking about here...The Chosen One. So far we're all witnesses to a Finals with sub-regular season statistics and poor 4th quarter decisions.


    These are things we know.
    20 pts 51% Shooting, 6.7 rbs, 6 asss, 2.3 stls. Team up 2-1. He's playing well as always, he's just taking less shots (therefore scoring less) 'cause Wade is on fire right now, an that deserves props not criticism, imho.

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    So basically you've been talking out of your ass this entire time?

    K thx.
    Not the stat I saw ('cause is from a different time period) but I guess it helps to prove my point.

    http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

    Now shut the up, thx.

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    Not the stat I saw ('cause is from a different time period) but I guess it helps to prove my point.

    http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

    Now shut the up, thx.
    The dagger.

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    You have any quotes to back that up? I doubt it...
    So do you think he went to Miami, where there was an established "man" in place, the best player in the history of that franchise, a guy who carried a team that wasn't much better than LeBron's last two Cleveland teams to an NBA Championship, to be the man?

    It isn't even a value judgement. If I was LeBron I'd have done the exact same thing.

    But "the man" is the franchise player. LeBron is not the franchise player in Miami. Wade is. LeBron is a better all-around player, but Wade is the man down there.

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    Not the stat I saw ('cause is from a different time period) but I guess it helps to prove my point.

    http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

    Now shut the up, thx.
    This is outdated.

    On a side note, damn, Kobe. 1 assist and 5 turnovers?

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    Not the stat I saw ('cause is from a different time period) but I guess it helps to prove my point.

    http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

    Now shut the up, thx.
    I'm not the one vehemently defending LBJ's honor with one ESPN graphic as the crux of my argument. Besides, all your nutriding won't hide the evidence we've seen in these first 3 games. Wade's the man, Wade's the closer. LeBron is a great 1B. No shame in that, I'm not sure why you think there is...

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    This is outdated.
    Yeah, he has more now.

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    So do you think he went to Miami, where there was an established "man" in place, the best player in the history of that franchise, a guy who carried a team that wasn't much better than LeBron's last two Cleveland teams to an NBA Championship, to be the man?

    It isn't even a value judgement. If I was LeBron I'd have done the exact same thing.

    But "the man" is the franchise player. LeBron is not the franchise player in Miami. Wade is. LeBron is a better all-around player, but Wade is the man down there.
    LeBron is the better player right now and historically. Therefore, he is the man. I like that you couldn't find any quotes of LeBron saying he couldn't be the man, though.

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    You have any quotes to back that up? I doubt it...
    oh, hi there.

    I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but your opinion doesn't matter.

    Sorry, I don't make the rules here.

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    San Antonio Heat fans out in full force tonight.

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