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lol, He pretty much jumped over Mark Jackson sheeesh.
Said it then say it now, Chalmers is the better player, the Spurs don't like his off the court demeanor that's why he wasn't drafted.
lol, He pretty much jumped over Mark Jackson sheeesh.
It's not George's team yet. How does he take that ownership. 4 trophies staring him in the face, all world guard ahead of him, shaping his game flow to anticipate how Tony's going to play, second guessing himself in the process. Yet I may come across as an apologist since it's been 3 years. How do you say "f-off Tony, I can't wait for you anymore" George is going to have to learn how to do that.
He rides the gravy train. But he also knows how everyone is pissed waiting for him to notch it up, missing his chance once again in the playoffs.
Can't respect anyone to the point of emasculating your own game. Punch 'em out already, GH3.
Chalmers has been good for Miami in these Finals. You could call it being clutch, but you could also call it a Jaren Jackson type hot streak.
Mario can't create his own shot. He doesn't attack the rim worth a damn. And he's no more a PG than George Hill is.
If you offered Riles a trade of Hill for Chalmers straight up, he'd say: "YES YES! NO TAKE BACKS!"
This is selective viewing by a few Spurs fans that have only caught Chalmers during the past couple of games when he is playing well. That's not to say the George Hill is ever going to be much more than he currently is, but either of his past 2 seasons are probably better than Chalmers will ever be.
This is a rather ridiculous debate.
just another attempt by the tp homers to throw hill under the bus tbh
whats funny to me is that parker had his troubles early in his career as well, his numbers stagnated for a couple of yrs and he wasnt exactly john stockton when it came to running a team...he had his playoff struggles, etc. yet these same parker homers are ready to give up on and look to trade a 3rd yr player with upside? makes no sense imho.
It's not so ridiculous by making it a package that includes TP for Bibby. Bibby has hit some bit shots recently. Love to seem him on the Spurs.
What? Most of the debate is simply whether Chalmers is better than Hill (he's not) - not whether we would trade PG situations with them (which would be disastrous).
And you think you can have that with George Hill as your trade asset
A double double guy with shot blocking is basicaly Joakim Noah or Tyson Chandler and it cost 10M+ per year in the current NBA.
You have to trade TP or Manu to get that. George Hill is not enough
I'd love to have Noah or Chandler for Hill. I don't know that the Mavericks would go for it but the Bulls are loaded with big men. With Hill they would have a decent third string PG or SG. And we'd have another strong post player to give Bonner some rest.And you think you can have that with George Hill as your trade asset
A double double guy with shot blocking is basicaly Joakim Noah or Tyson Chandler and it cost 10M+ per year in the current NBA.
You have to trade TP or Manu to get that. George Hill is not enough
Nice fantasy.
They balked at moving Noah for Melo. If you offered them George Hill for Noah, they'd hang up and add you to call block.
I'm a Spurs fan living in Miami he is a career backup and can't even hold Hill's jockstrap
then trade Tony right away because Chalmers looks pretty decent in the Finals. Hill must be outstanding in practice then - we need to unleash him next year.
Hill may be the better overall player, but hasn't matured or developed enough mental toughness needed to succeed on the big stage. He routinely comes up small in road games.
Chalmers, while not quite as talented, is fearless, has a history of hitting big shots (at home or on the road) and does know a thing about running an offense, from the PG position.
Yall s are taking Chalmer's best sample size (this series) and comparing it to Hill's worst sample size (road games/playoff games were he obviously struggled). How about comparing the same Chalmers that was playing behind the likes of Carlos Arroyo or Mike Bibby for the past 2 yrs to Hill's worst? Or comparing the Chalmers that is playing well this Finals to the Hill that was great for us in the 2nd half of the season+playoffs in the 2010 playoffs ?
true - performances in the Finals not quite as important as the regular season or the 1st round of the playoffs.
chamber is way better then hill
Chalmers beats Hill in being confident. Everything else, I would rather take Hill.
you would take hills point guard skills over chamber point guard skills
wow
Chalmers is better at the point. I don't see how anybody could argue against that with a straight face.
Chalmers likes to gamble on defense. He gets some steals, and blows some coverages. Pop doesn't like that.
Hill likes to gamble on defense. He gets some steals, and blows some coverages. Pop likes him anyway. (Overall, Hill still a better defender.)
Has everyone forgotten about Chalmers and Darell Arthur getting kicked out of the NBA's rookie transition program? If you aren't familiar, that's a weekend before the season when the rookies are schooled on being solid citizens and not letting themselves get into trouble with all that new money. Chalmers and Arthur skipped a session to stay in their hotel room with some ho's and weed. That kind of was never going to play in the Spurs system, no matter how many 3's he could hit.
Hill took a photo of his dong in a mirror, and was stupid enough to let someone else get hold of it. Pop agreed that if his was that big, he would take photos of it too.
Speculating on how Chalmers would have done here is like speculating on how good the Spurs would have been in 97-98 (Tim's first year, and Pop's first as head coach) - if the Spurs had kept Vernon Maxwell. It doesn't matter how good they would have been, because there was no way Mad Max was ever going to play under Pop as a head coach. [In '97, Maxwell had to pay some woman about a half million dollars for intentionally infecting her with herpes.]
Chalmers isn't as crazy as Maxwell, but he was never a threat to get drafted by the Spurs. Darell Arthur was looking pretty damned good with the Griz, but same story.
manu gambles on d all the time
if manu can do it on the spurs team
chambers could to
sj did not get in trouble in sa
Hill has had bigger games in the playoffs.
2009 Hill: 4 playoffs games, 0 over 10 pts
Chalmers: 7 playoff games, 1 over 10 pts (15 pts)
2010 Hill: 10 playoff games, 5 over 10 pts (29 pts, 21 pts, 17 pts, 17 pts, 14 pts)
Chalmers: 5 playoff games, 1 over 10 pts (20 pts)
2011 Hill: 6 playoff games, 4 over 10 pts (16 pts, 15 pts, 12 pts, 11 pts)
Chalmers: 19 playoff games, 5 over 10 pts (20 pts, 20 pts, 17 pts, 12 pts, 12 pts)
Total: Hill 9/20 playoff games over 10 pts (45%), Chalmers 7/31 playoff games over 10 pts (23%). Overall Chalmers is a 7.6 ppg scorer and 42% fg in his career in the playoffs, while Hill is 11.4 ppg and 42% fg.
Chalmers is on the court to score points. He doesn't run the offense and his impact on the defensive end is minimal. Hill is typically defending the other playoff team's best perimeter player (with varying success), but he still has better offensive outputs than Chalmers over the balance of his playoff career.
He needs to play better on the road.
Ducks - I'm not arguing that. I said, Hill does the same thing. Call that part a tie.
But overall, Hill is a better defender, I think. He moves his feet better on D than Chalmers, and he's longer. When Chalmers isn't gambling for a steal, his best move is to try and get up in someone's jockstrap. That lets too many guys blow around him. (JJ Barea likes it when Chalmers tries to guard him close.) He also gets some untimely fouls with that action.
If Hill were consistent, I'd give him the nod over Chalmers. But he wasn't. As far as playing for the Spurs though, weed and ho's in the hotel room is a definite minus for Super Mario, don't you think?
I'm sorry... who the is sj? Max didn't get in trouble here, that I remember. He was just a head case, everywhere he went. But I think he was playing for the Spurs when he infected that woman with herpes on purpose. Frowned upon in the Spurs system. Frankly, I think Maxwell's extra scoring might have given the Spurs a shot at a le that first season with Timmy.
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