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Like it or not, the Grizz were building a franchise around that guy... Pau will never get the credit he deserves, tbh
I agree. He goes above KG because he has proven that he can lead a team as the top dog, and he's got a FMVP now.
2nd behind Duncan for PFs which would put him in the top 25 range, being higher than the mailman and charles
Like it or not, the Grizz were building a franchise around that guy... Pau will never get the credit he deserves, tbh
Man, that's the most respectful trash talk ever if that's what you think you did. Tim is the ABSOLUTE best PF of all time and can't imagine most Mavs fans even debating that. Where Dirk is all time? Top 20 or top 30 now? Don't really care at all...only thing that matters is that Dirk is a CHAMPION now. So happy.
I'll add that the Pistons is another impressive team that won it without an actual superstar...
c'mon now. Before his relationship mess and this year's playoffs debacle, people had him as the best PF in the league. The Lakers weren't sniffing contention pre-Pau. He's a superstar.
GTFO ...superstar?!
Define a superstar ...please by anyone's sensible definition he is NOT that.
Sure grizzz built around him and he could not win a playoff game in that role not ONE. All-star, great player and a top 5 PF but he was never the best PFat least in my book. i did think he fit the triangle better than dirk, but NEVER thought he was a better player ...
their was even more impressive tbh ...only team since 1980 to win without a sure-fire HOF'er ...
This mavs team though he is aging has two ... (Kidd is first ballot)
That's a good way of putting it. But this wasn't the one man band that Olajuwon was in '94 and Duncan was in '03, where they were doing practically everything for their teams (not just scoring). Those two basically played the role of Nowitzki, Chandler and Kidd, for their respective teams.
What Nowitzki had that they didn't was a bloated payroll and a cadre of highly accomplished teammates. Former perennial All-Stars, All-NBAers/defensive, etc. This was a team with a lot of solid, undervalued players and they got contributions from their entire rotation, unlike the Heat.
Not surprising they were one and done. But credit where it's due. They consistently dominated the East and made it to two Finals. They gave us a heck of a fight in '05. Larry Brown is an asshole but he doesn't get enough credit for that, imo.
Well, I dunno. Probably somewhere behind Hitler, but he's definitely above Goebbels now, he's sealed that legacy at last.
Well, yeah, our definition of superstar isn't the same then. Superstar is thrown around so much now. I think your definition of superstar is my definition of HoFamer.
Do you think it's fair to say Kobe makes Gasol look better than he actually is?
NBA superstars: (no order) Players that dominate their position and or games consistently ...
1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Durant
5. Rose
6. Dirk
7. Duncan
8. Howard
9. Paul
10. Amare
11. Melo
12. Nash
13. KG
14. Dwill
Great players all-stars"
1. Pau
2. Manu
3. Rudy Gay
4. Zbo
5. Aldridge
6. Bogut
7. Blake
8. Westbrook
9. Parker
10. Odom
11. Terry
12. Joe Johnson
13. Horford
14. Nene
a lot more im sure but you get the idea is Pau so much better than Zbo or Manu? None of those 3 are superstars in my book ...
Come on... Gasol was rookie of the year, he won with Spain also... he's still considered one of the best PF in the league. The guy has a shot at being a HoF...
Kobe will get his credit, there's no need to sink Pau (or Shaq, etc).
Pau didn't dominate games consistently? He was one of the most consistent Lakers in the last 2-peat...
Top ten to fifteen. In Dallas sports, Dirk is top 5.
He did choke this season, though (Pau)
Pretty good list, although I think it's safe to say Pau is one of the best if not the best non-superstar (according to your list), but I usually only think there's truly 5-6 superstars in a league at one time, not 14 like you posted and definitely not KG or Nahs at this point in their careers. I also would probably change your "all-star" list a little too.
great troll attempt, bro.
If you try to bring up FIBA like it matters at all, I seriously hope you die in a car crash tomorrow.
Duncan makes Parker... or did make Parker look better than he actually is. Players on a HOF tier do that, which is why it's difficult to rank the second options like Pippen. It's hard to determine how good Kobe actually was when he 3 peated with prime Shaq... but yeah, Kobe makes Pau look better than he actually is. Sure. I hate Kobe, but he is a badass.
that being said, the Lakers need Pau as a low post, all-star calibur player to contend. This year is obvious proof that LA goes no where without him, with this current roster.
Agree with Amaso. Some of those guys are not a franchise player that can still take you all the way. Duncan is definitely on the decline. Nash same. KG is also in the down turn. Paul and DWill are probably two of the best PG in the league, but I don't think they can really carry a team (like Dirk did this postseason, or like Howard can dominate physically inside).
Rose has potential, and I really think Durant is severely overrated, IMO.
And I don't see how there's any ing debate that Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Garnett now.
Garnett had two superstars by his side to win a le.
Dirk had 3-4 decent role players, and that's it.
ROY does not = superstar ...Tyreke won one too is he a superstar?
Pau is a great player and an all-star. Right now he is not a HOF based on his NBA career alone IMHO ...he has a chance as does Manu ...does that change Duncan's credit? this has nothing to do with Kobe ...Pau is not a superstar, he is a all-star.
Superstar = to me someone that you would strongly consider for first team ALL NBA ... and a no doubt about it 2nd team aLL NBA ...
What year was Pau without question at least the 2nd best PF in the NBA?
Maybe the year KG was hurt any other year he was trailing Duncan Dirk, KG ..now he trails amare and Dirk still ... with Blake closing fast. he has passed Duncan and KG but they are aging ...
hey I dont disagree that Nash, duncan and KG are aging ... but point is at one time they were superstars ...when the was Pau a "superstar" ...
The reason i included the guys who are not that anymore because wewere talking about guys that carried their team to a le without superstar help ...
Im not saying Kobe could of won without Pau ...without pau we were losing in the first round just like Pau (but we did not get swept) Point is that does not make him a superstar. Hakeem did not win before they traded for Otis thorpe but that does not make Thorpe a superstar either ...yes Pau is much better offensivelty than thorpe but you get the point ...
the funniest things is his "Dirk hasn't led a team to a le and I think Manu could be a really good #1 option
great troll attempt, bro.
If you try to bring up FIBA like it matters at all, I seriously hope you die in a car crash tomorrow." angle is out of the window.
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