well, youve seen my takes on the Mosely fight in other threads, i wasnt a fan of it. But i aint gonna make a big deal of it since pac has pretty much fought every big name out there in the WW division. Cant say that for maynever.
Mayweather fighting a dangerous Prime Welterweight compared to Pac who is fighting a 39 year old lightweight making him move up to welterweight (2 weight divisions).. He fought a 40 year old Mosley coming of a loss and a draw to ing sergio mora and before that he fought Margarito coming off a loss
that pac s
I guess when Floyd did that, it was alright ..... , Floyd couldn't even make weight for his fight against JMM.
Dude needs to stop running and fight Manny. Plain and simple.
Floyd has been at 147 for 6 years and have had seven fights and it actually took an earthquake and many Haitians dying in order for him to get in the ring with a decent welterweight. Hatton had to come up to 147. JMM had to jump two weight classes and taking out a shot de la Hoya (which he won by a split decision), Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitc really doesn't get my hard.oh God. Homeboy is really comparing Pacquiao and Mayweathers opponents.
Ortiz is decent but how can he be a decent 147er when he's only had one real fight at that weight? Floyd is gonna work this dude. And claim he was the best fighter at that time.
uh. I on floyd for fighting JMM.
4 Mayweather myths Debunked
There are few athletes that generate the same level of controversy and debate as five-division world champ, Floyd Mayweather jr. From his days as a 21-year-old world champion wunderkind right through to his current status as world class, elite-level heat magnet, Mayweather has become a permanent part of the psyches of most fight fans.
Attacked by unfriendly media sources and his persistent legion of critics, Mayweather has often been his own worst enemy, refusing to acknowledge critics' assertions and playing the role of indifferent party boy. As a result, myths have popped up about the talented former Olympic bronze medalist and have been allowed to stay in the public forum, becoming part of conventional wisdom for some, regardless of whether the accusation is based in fact or not.
In the spirit of fair play, here's a look at the most persistent myths regarding Mayweather and why they are more fiction than fact:
Mayweather has ducked…
Mayweather's failure to fight guys like Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto continue to hound the former welterweight list, but what's seldom pointed out is the promotional barriers to making these bouts.
When Mayweather left promoter, Bob Arum, he made a powerful, spiteful enemy. He also ensured that any dealing with Arum's promotional company, Top Rank, would be as pleasant and easy as a root canal.
When he was criticized for not meeting Margarito's "challenge" in 2006, it's rarely mentioned that Mayweather had just left Top Rank, had pending legal action against Arum, and was unlikely to turn around immediately after leaving his promotional company and fight, once again, under his old promotional banner.
As for Cotto, it should be noted that by the time Cotto made his debut in the welterweight division, Mayweather had already captured the lineal welterweight le and was beginning negotiations for his money fight with Oscar De la Hoya.
If Arum had wanted to force a fight between his guys and then-WBC champ, Mayweather, he could've easily done so by positioning Margarito, Cotto, and Clottey within the rankings of the organization. Instead, Arum chose to position his fighters in every division, except the WBC.
Mayweather always fights smaller fighters
This is easy to debunk. Mayweather has only fought two fighters who moved up in weight to fight him, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez— and Hatton was WBA welterweight champ a year prior. For the vast majority of his career, Mayweather has been the naturally smaller fighter.
Mayweather "cherry picks" his opponents
This isn't a myth at all. However, hardcore, observant fight fans will acknowledge that every top fighter strategically chooses the right opponent for the right price. Mayweather may, indeed, be a cherry picker, but this is nothing unusual at all. All professional prize fighters at the top of their game weigh risk vs. reward carefully when it comes to their bouts.
Mayweather is afraid of Pacquiao
"Afraid" is a heavy word to toss around when talking about a professional prize fighter who has been in compe ive action since childhood. There aren't many cowards who fight for a living and have dominated the amateur and professional ranks, fighting fifteen past, present, or future world champions.
Mayweather did what he could to make the Pacquiao fight happen. Whether the request for random blood testing was just a psychological ploy or it represented a sincere concern on his part, the fact of the matter is that Mayweather came to terms quickly on all stipujations and even went to arbitration to settle the blood testing issue. During arbitration, as stated by the arbitrating judge, Mayweather would even go on to compromise on his request for true random testing, but it was Pacquiao who wouldn't budge.
Mayweather would move on after the fight fell apart and, by most accounts, hold firm on his demand for true, Olympic-style random blood testing— a stipulation Team Pacquiao has never conceded. The truth remains that on the one occasion where both Mayweather and Pacquiao were present for negotiations, it was Pacquiao who ultimately killed the deal.
Believe what you wish, but all the subsequent stories about Pacquiao agreeing to random testing and Mayweather turning down huge financial offers to take the fight have come from one source, and one source alone— Pacquiao promoter and jilted former member of Team Mayweather, Bob Arum.
Paul Magno is a licensed official in the state of Michoacan, Mexico and a close follower of the sport for more than thirty years. His work can also be found on Fox Sports and The Boxing Tribune. In the past, Paul has done work for Inside Fights, The Queensberry Rules and Eastside Boxing.
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Aside from Pacquiao who is the best available fighter at 147? I swear do you guys even watch boxing? And are you seriously bringing up past fights i thought we went over this already. I can play that too. IF Mayweather fought a shot de la hoy what version did pacquiao fight? a ing corpse. Pacqiao fought a shot hatton who got KO'd by Mayweather (and btw Hatton was the WBA welterweight champion the year before).. etc. etc.. see i can play that game too. I'm not even a Mayweather or Pac fan i pretty much avoid talking about either fighter because the same is said over and over again. But yeah it's all the fighters fault not like their Promoters have any say.Floyd has been at 147 for 6 years and have had seven fights and it actually took an earthquake and many Haitians dying in order for him to get in the ring with a decent welterweight. Hatton had to come up to 147. JMM had to jump two weight classes and taking out a shot de la Hoya (which he won by a split decision), Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitc really doesn't get my hard.
Ortiz is decent but how can he be a decent 147er when he's only had one real fight at that weight? Floyd is gonna work this dude. And claim he was the best fighter at that time.
tbh, i'm probably the only person who doesn't give a damn if these 2 fight or not. Boxing will live on with or without pac and may.
Last edited by IronMaxipad; 06-16-2011 at 01:30 PM.
Well, no one now but back then, he could have gone up against Cotto or Margarito (before handwrapgate). I know they're Arum fighters and he didn't wanna deal with Bob's scheming ass but at least fight one of the two. Now @ 147, there's only one fight - that's Manny and that fight should happen but it won't.Aside from Pacquiao who is the best available fighter at 147?
totally agree here .... Oscar was shot pretty much in both fights. funny thing is he should have continued to use his jab against Floyd. And Hatton beat a paper champion in Collazo.IF Mayweather fought a shot de la hoy what version did pacquiao fight? a ing corpse. Pacqiao fought a shot hatton who got KO'd by Mayweather (and btw Hatton was the WBA welterweight champion the year before).. etc. etc.. see i can play that game too. I'm not even a Mayweather or Pac fan i pretty much avoid talking about either fighter because the same is said over and over again.
It will continue to live on but it's really gone to . Heavyweight Division is done with Dr. Steelhammer and Dr. Iron Fist continuing to win boring fights with countless jabs. Cruiserweight is non-existent. Light heavy has a 46 year old running and maybe Chad Dawson will finally get his head out of his ass.But yeah it's all the fighters fault not like their Promoters have any say.
tbh, i'm probably the only person who doesn't give a damn if these 2 fight or not. Boxing will live on with or without pac and may.
Andre Ward vs Bute may bring some noise but nothing coming from 168. Ward vs. Froch in the SS Finals should be easy work for Ward.
Sergio Martinez got 160 locked. Nothing really there.
154 is shaky at best. Cotto? Dzindziruk?
147: Manny and Floyd. That's it....
140 is carrying boxing right now with Khan, Alexander, Bradley and my favorite Marcos Maidana.
and from straw to 135, you have many great fighters like Donaire, Gamboa and Darchinyan. But as long as these guys do not get in the ring and continue to have their belts stripped, boxing is gonna continue to take a back seat to MMA.
Boxing hasn't gone to man. Are you sure you're a fan? I mean unless you're a casual and only watch Pacquiao fight or Mayweather fight how the can you say it's gone to ? Last year was a great year for boxing and this year has already delivered great fights and en route to top last year. I agree with you on the heavier divisions except for 168 which there are still fights to be made after the super 6. and Klit vs Haye is a fight we have wanted and we're getting it this summer but aside from that i agree especially heavy weight.
Back in the day it was the heavier divisions that dominated to sport this generation its the lower divisions and there are a lot of fighters that are just breaking through. I agree about belt stripping and all and having so many ing belts per division really does hurt the sport. Like you said 135 and down there are a ton of great fighters some of these cats will start moving up and have an impact in the higher weight classes. The young talent is there though.
And you know once Pac hangs em up the Filipino fans are gonna jump all over Nonito. He's a ing beast.
Hindsight is 20/20. "Shot" de La Hoya or not, Pac was the underdog in that fight especially when DLH went spilt decision with PBF. People were worried that he maybe too small with Cotto, Margarito etc. Why do i defend Pacquiao? Cuz he fought all the top names in the welterweight division. Some maybe late, but he fought them. Only one really missing is Berto and PBF. Can you really say the same about PBF? Wheres the margarito fight, how bout Cotto, Berto etc...where are those big names 3-4 years ago? Blame all the promoters u want, but pac-PBF is gonna make enough money to go around. Just waiting on PBF to accept.
I take it you didn't read the article above..
Mayweather did what he could to make the Pacquiao fight happen. Whether the request for random blood testing was just a psychological ploy or it represented a sincere concern on his part, the fact of the matter is that Mayweather came to terms quickly on all stipujations and even went to arbitration to settle the blood testing issue. During arbitration, as stated by the arbitrating judge, Mayweather would even go on to compromise on his request for true random testing, but it was Pacquiao who wouldn't budge.
Mayweather would move on after the fight fell apart and, by most accounts, hold firm on his demand for true, Olympic-style random blood testing— a stipulation Team Pacquiao has never conceded. The truth remains that on the one occasion where both Mayweather and Pacquiao were present for negotiations, it was Pacquiao who ultimately killed the deal.
Believe what you wish, but all the subsequent stories about Pacquiao agreeing to random testing and Mayweather turning down huge financial offers to take the fight have come from one source, and one source alone— Pacquiao promoter and jilted former member of Team Mayweather, Bob Arum.
Last edited by IronMaxipad; 06-17-2011 at 02:58 PM.
tbh, I don't even know why i waste my time since the same gets said over and over again. And if you don't think the promoters are to blame then you don't know boxing. Let's not forget what Arum said just last month..
Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"
lol at believing one article when theres a billion other articles that blames PBF. Anyone who thinks Mayweather doesnt duck fighters is an idiot.
^ This is why you can't have discussion with pac s. I never said floyd didn't duck fighters from the ing beginning of this thread i said both of them Manny included are cherry pickers.
Now, correct me if im wrong, but isn't Juan Manuel Marquez a Goldenboy fighter and isnt Pacquiao fighting him next?
Marquez left Golden boy so he can make the fight happen.
Honest opinion:
Who should Pacquaio have fought in:
2008 instead of De La Hoya?
How bout in 2009 instead of Hatton and Cotto?
How bout 2010 instead of Clottey and Margarito?
and 2011 instead of Mosley?
homie really wanted this fight...but he made the right choice cuz he getting more money guaranteed.
Yeah, It was either sign with Top Rank for Pacquiao, or stay with Goldenboy and fight prospect Alvarez. he made the right choice
Are you serious?
Just asking you who he should be fighting...thats all. Cant be too hard. Simple as, instead of Cotto, he should have fought______. Instead of Clottey, he should have fought________.
Honest opinion? Look bro i told you this has been beaten to death but i'll play your little game.
He should have fought them without catch weights or coming off losses. After May vs ODLH we all saw he was a shot fighter. He could have fought Margarito who was the hot WW at the time after he dismantled Cotto (Same can be said about Mayweather who should have fought either Cotto or Margarito when they where hot). . Instead he fights Hatton who again was already exposed and K.O.'d earlier by Mayweather. I give manny props for cotto but don't see why that fight had to be held at a catchweight either but w/e.
Then he fights Margarito who got KTFO by Mosley and was also suspended for a year and a half. He looked terrible against his tune up fight and then he fights Manny for the Light Middleweight le at 150, another catchweight
And instead of Mosley? Who was also already shot and had just got dominiated by Mayweather and barley got a draw vs Mora. He could have fought Berto, bradley, ortiz.. anyone thats not Mosley and can ing move would've been respectable at this point.
And lets go back to that his one and only fight at Lightweight. He fought the bum of the division David Diaz. He could have fought Juan Diaz and Casamayor instead of that bum.
Is that what you wanted to hear? Same that's always been said.
I'll do floyds next if you want cuz like i said i ain't a fan of either fighter.
ok...so you wanted little pacquiao (who was fighting at 130 against JMM and tested his abilty against Diaz at 135) to jump to 147 (without catchweights) and challenge the "hottest" Welterweight, Margarito.Honest opinion? Look bro i told you this has been beaten to death but i'll play your little game.
He should have fought them without catch weights or coming off losses. After May vs ODLH we all saw he was a shot fighter. He could have fought Margarito who was the hot WW at the time after he dismantled Cotto (Same can be said about Mayweather who should have fought either Cotto or Margarito when they where hot). . Instead he fights Hatton who again was already exposed and K.O.'d earlier by Mayweather. I give manny props for cotto but don't see why that fight had to be held at a catchweight either but w/e.
Then he fights Margarito who got KTFO by Mosley and was also suspended for a year and a half. He looked terrible against his tune up fight and then he fights Manny for the Light Middleweight le at 150, another catchweight
And instead of Mosley? Who was also already shot and had just got dominiated by Mayweather and barley got a draw vs Mora. He could have fought Berto, bradley, ortiz.. anyone thats not Mosley and can ing move would've been respectable at this point.
And lets go back to that his one and only fight at Lightweight. He fought the bum of the division David Diaz. He could have fought Juan Diaz and Casamayor instead of that bum.
Is that what you wanted to hear? Same that's always been said.
I'll do floyds next if you want cuz like i said i ain't a fan of either fighter.
ok buddy. Get real. Once again...Hindsight is 20/20 especially when DLH was the favorite against Pacman. Just because fighters lose a fight, it doesnt mean they are crap. Cotto only had one loss...he was still a legit fighter.
Tested his abilities against Diaz? Really.Diaz is a D level fighter at best don't give me that bull .
You want to get real ok Hindsight 20/20 your boy weighed in at 145 vs. Marquez on fight night. To put that into perspective 147 is the WW limit. "Little pacquiao" Weighed More Than OSCAR on fight night. Let me say that again incase you didn't comprehend the first time. "Little" Pacquiao outweighed Oscar De La Hoya. Pacquiao-148 Delahoya-147. and others in this thread aggreed that Oscar was already a shot fighter when he fought Mayweather so what does that say about the version Pacquiao fought? And about cotto didn't i say i give him props?
Are we going to keep going in circles?
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