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I'd probably agree.
I didn't say they were talking to Minny, just that for Parker you'd need a top 3 pick as this draft is so terrible that there may be nothing beyond it. , some experts were saying that the drop off after 2 is huge, so take that for what it's worth.
I'm not saying Hill is irreplaceable, just that this lottery is so bad, a case could be made that losing Hill would actually be a bad trade.It's somewhat risky, but it's not a huge gamble to lose Hill for a lottery pick with how good the FO is at drafting.
BUT, if the Spurs are to make a trade for a draft pick, then I'd rather they trade Hill than Parker easily. It'll be much easier to replace Hill in the draft than it will be to replace Parker.
I'd probably agree.
Easjer I have to agree with your points in this thread sir.
The truth is that the Spurs aren't going anywhere, meaning they will be in the playoffs and won't win the ring next year. Why? Because they have a retiring maxed out player who isn't leaving until the end of 2012, they have RJ on an extended contract and Tony Parker isn't going to get them over the hump. They have to make some moves just to keep people's hopes alive. We know we aren't going to win with the line-up we have now. Keeping hopes alive sells season tickets.
(ma'amEasjer I have to agree with your points in this thread sir.
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No , right? If Pop hadn't pulled him as a starter and played him vs the Grizz, he would likely have more value.
The Spurs are in a pretty tough spot. It's going to be hard to pull off a deal that yields equality in loss.
I agree with that and that's the point. It's tough to see anything good at this point.
Spurs could potentially draft Chris Singleton or Tristan Thompson with a lottery pick. I'd take either guy over Hill.
If Parker gets moved then I'm all for starting Hill at the point and tanking for a lottery pick in the 2012 draft (assuming there is even a portion of a season to tank). Still, Ginobili is the guy to trade for pennies on the dollar if you have to. Not Parker when he's still on the right side of 30.
The Spurs would be able to spread Tony's salary over a couple of players, so they would be able to shed some of their payroll this season. Plus they would stand a reasonable chance of getting another player for rookie scale who could make the team. The money part makes sense.
Calderon is no slouch. On a better team, I think he would be even better. (I actually talked about a similar trade a few years ago, where the Spurs got Calderon and Anthony Parker, plus.) Davis would be a good pickup.
If the Spurs are really discussing this, there is someone in the draft they think will be a game changer. It's a weak draft, but there are going to be a few surprises in it. Maybe they think they know one of them.
A lockout-shortened season would be the one to tank. That may be the grand prize of 2012 - a race to the Lottery.
I agree about Ginobili. Especially if you get a backup PG and a decent big in return, but I really don't want to see the Spurs tank until Duncan retires. I don't think he sticks around for that .
I think if it's just a lottery pick they're after (assuming they have someone they really like), then Hill should go. If they are looking for return value for Parker, that's going to be really tough to pull off.
That's an acceptable scenario, assuming Tim comes back healthy the following year.
If the Spurs trade TP for a 4-5 pick in this draft, it's a salary dump.
Pure and simple.
Calderon
Where's Isiah Thomas when you need him?
The Bobcats are the closest thing right now. They made some terrible-looking trades before the deadline last season. Maybe they'll be willing to trade SJax straight up for RJ.
Posted this in the other trade thread as well.
I don't really see the upside of trying to trade Tony for picks in this incredibly shallow draft. However I wouldn't hate the trade if we either got good players + a high draft pick (4-10) or we managed to trade with Cleveland or Minnesota in order to grab Derrick Williams. I doubt Minny gwould be willing to deal given that they have Flynn and Rubio already. However a Sessions, Verajo, Filler(Hickson would be great but thats pushing it) + #1 pick for Tony would be a win in my book. I doubt the cavaliers would consider that though.
george hill worth only end of the lottery? lol weak ass draft
I called it!!! About 20min before we were eliminated in the first round I made the following thread, but it was closed b/c "we still had hopes" to me TP is MAIN reason we got eliminated. Period, after seeing him take no responsibility afterwards, I knew I was right.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178594
When your so-called best player isn't among the best players in his own position you don't have any chances to get a ring. D Rose, D Williams, R Westbrook, and CP3 are leaps and bounds ahead of Tony and its getting worse, more and more young PG are coming in this league, within the next couple of years TP would be lucky to be in the top10. He doesn't have the size or the strength to dominate his position, and his speed is diminishing with age. Don't forget, he turned pro when he was 15.
So I am asking you if we don't have the advantage at the PG, with Timmy not being what he used to, we 'll rely on Manu's angles, aren't we?
Spurs have gone 1-3 in the last 4 NBA Playoff series, the one time we won TP was coming off the bench! That must tell you something. When did Tony lead any team to anything outside of 2007? He got benched in the french national team in '05! And has done crappy job of being a leader.
Most of you talk about RJ, and I agree he played like crap. However its not entirely his fault, Tony has something to do with it as well. He is supposed to make others around better, not worst! Tony needs (and dominates) the ball to be effective, we could will be better off w/o him.
Total bull . Why would the spurs trade tony for a freakin draft pick? That's pretty much slapping the great tim duncan in the face and saying we cant win. A freakin draft pick? They can friggen well do better then that. We have 1 more year left to possibly win. What the is trading tony for a draft pick gonna do for the last year or so of the tim duncan era. They can get better then that for tony for sake.
on top of a season not guaranteed of ever happening. At least so far.
Hopefully for your sake they can get back a guy who doesn't ball his teammates wife or cast aspersions on a team that won 61 games ability to remain compe ive.
You called for it. Not the same thing.
I like J. Thompson, B Udrih and the 7th pick. Then trade the 7th pick and Bonner to Houston for Scola or select Walker from UCONN.
I'm down, it. There are very few players that I would remain a staunch advocate for after being traded because I'm a fan of my TEAM first. Tony Parker is not one of those players. David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobii, Bruce Bowen, Sean Elliott... otherwise, let's recognize the possible opportunity to upgrade a significant part of the roster with one deduction.
Tony Parker is the Spurs' best player right now, so if they jettison him then they damn well better get the goods in return. He's 29 and this would be a great time to deal him if not for the weak draft (as others have alluded to already).
Manu will be 34 soon (and has had various injury problems since 2008) and Tim is 35 (will be 36 by 2012 playoffs). Nobody wants Bonner or RJ, Blair will probably draw little-to-no interest (if he's even a FA yet), and they really don't have any other trade assets. Yeah the Spurs draft well, but they'll still be picking late in a draft.
They're in a tough spot...they'll probably be mired in mediocrity till the core retires, after which they gotta hope they land another HOF big man (or any great player).
TP is their lone valuable piece left.
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