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    MJ was a meanie weenie!



    More coulda woulda shoulda garbage.

    All that matters in the end, is what you did, not what you could have done. If Tracy McGrady gave a , he could have been the best basketball player ever. If Shaq gave effort to shooting FTs, he could have been the greatest basketball player ever. But they didnt, so its irrelevant.

    In the end, what MJ did, worked. And it didnt work with just one group of guys, he was able to do so with another completely different group, aside from Pippen, and succeeded again.
    So did Kobe... and what's really funny is he's going to do it yet again with a 3rd set of different guys...listen I all over you with my points...it's more than just Kobe 5 Duncan 4 or Kobe 5 and Dirk 1 and done....Kobe's about to run down MJ in rings and when that day happens bring ya ass ....

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    First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's compe on....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

    In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

    Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state.


    John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

    Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…

    Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

    Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" : Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

    I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s compe ion was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

    MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

    The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...
    Not reading any of this trash. im not going to get into yet another MJ vs. Kobe debate like you want to keep starting. both are great, amazing players. They both have almost identical skillsets, Kobe being more polished and skilled, MJ being more disciplined and controlled. But in the end, they both are top 5 basketball players ever. End of story.

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    Dirk to Kobe: ''SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH''

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    So did Kobe... and what's really funny is he's going to do it yet again with a 3rd set of different guys...listen I all over you with my points...it's more than just Kobe 5 Duncan 4 or Kobe 5 and Dirk 1 and done....Kobe's about to run down MJ in rings and when that day happens bring ya ass ....
    I'm not here to debate MJ vs. Kobe. Never once did I bring up anything Kobe related. But all this nonsense trying to say Jordan was a "bad guy" and whatever... sure, its true. But the other truth is he was a successful player.

    So you really aren't ting on me with any points, because you are attempting a Kobe vs. MJ debate, and I'm not. You just on yourself, and make yourself look like an even bigger butt than we already knew you were.

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    At least MJ didnt get ted on by a Euro

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    At least MJ didnt get ted on by a Euro
    lefty, with the bads

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    Dirk to Kobe: ''SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH''

    An 8 seed to a 1 seed....

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    I'm not here to debate MJ vs. Kobe. Never once did I bring up anything Kobe related. But all this nonsense trying to say Jordan was a "bad guy" and whatever... sure, its true. But the other truth is he was a successful player.

    So you really aren't ting on me with any points, because you are attempting a Kobe vs. MJ debate, and I'm not. You just on yourself, and make yourself look like an even bigger butt than we already knew you were.
    I never said he wasn't successful dip ....but if you agree that he was bad guy then that's where you should have shut your ing mouth...

    I just wanted you sissy's to admit he was a bad guy....the media loves him and spins it but I won't let you get away with implying Kobe was a bad teammate and ignore MJ's calling his gots, punching them in their eyes, and getting threatened because he berated them so bad....I told you Kool is gonna bring da troof!!!

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    I never said he wasn't successful dip ....but if you agree that he was bad guy then that's where you should have shut your ing mouth...
    then whats your point in stating he is a bad guy?

    I just wanted you sissy's to admit he was a bad guy....the media loves him and spins it but I won't let you get away with implying Kobe was a bad teammate and ignore MJ's calling his gots, punching them in their eyes, and getting threatened because he berated them so bad....I told you Kool is gonna bring da troof!!!
    I think pretty much everyone admitted Jordan was a total jerk. again, what is your purpose in this thread? Just to see people admit that?

    People admitting that means....... what exactly?

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    then whats your point in stating he is a bad guy?



    I think pretty much everyone admitted Jordan was a total jerk. again, what is your purpose in this thread? Just to see people admit that?

    People admitting that means....... what exactly?
    Why? Because it tickles my ass to hear you say it....

    what a cathartic moment for us all....

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    Why? Because it tickles my ass to hear you say it....

    what a cathartic moment for us all....
    okay

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    lefty, with the bads
    Stretch butthurt because Dirk would have been bukkaked by Jordan

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    the point is MJ was more than a Jackass as you so lightly put it ...He was an extremely extremely bad teammate, so much so that he was threatened with physical violence by some of the older guys on the team. How many times did Phil kick him out of practice we'll never know...He punched them in the eyes, called them gots, and other deamaning things and all you can say is he was a jackass...

    NBA refs helped him cheat on his wife..I posted links to those stories numerous times...this is more than cheating and worse than what Kobe did because it calls into question the integrity of the game and some of his les...if the refs would bring you chics to bang what in the do you think would prevent them from cheating for you in your le quest.

    and last but not least if you think his gambling addictions didn't result in what happned to his dad and his retiring 2 times from the leauge then I have prime real estate I want to sell you Afghanistan....

    Now marinate on that for a min...
    So how does the refs bringing question to the integrity of the game relate to Jordan as a bad guy?

    The thing is, Jordan's antics to his teammates has never, at least directly, led to him failing his teammates. Unlike Shaq-gate, parking-lot rant, rape trial during playoffs, and refusing to shoot in Game 7.

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    Stretch butthurt because Dirk would have been bukkaked by Jordan
    how does that make me butthurt?

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    First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's compe on....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

    In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

    Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state.


    John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

    Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…

    Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

    Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" : Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

    I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s compe ion was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

    MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

    The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...
    Gasol barely an allstar? Which planet did you live on? Gasol is a sure fire HoFer, there is no question about that.

    as for compe ion:

    Wade, Iverson, Carter, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Stackhouse, Bowen, Finley, Houston, Eddie Jones, Spree, Payton, Francis, Pierce, Artest, Redd, Ginobili, Arenas, Hamilton, Joe Johnson.

    Drexler, Iverson, Richmond, Dumars, Blackman, Gervin, Moncrief, Jeff Malone, Lever, Alvin Robertson, Miller, Hornacek, Marjele, Starks, Payton, Sprewell, Penny, Hill, Rice, Eddie Jones, Finley, Houston.

    I would say they are similar. On top of that, the rule changes that make the game a more perimeter friendly game has certainly enhanced some of the production of the players in the 00s.

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    how does that make me butthurt?
    I'll let you think about it

    Take your time

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    Gasol barely an allstar? Which planet did you live on? Gasol is a sure fire HoFer, there is no question about that.

    as for compe ion:

    Wade, Iverson, Carter, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Stackhouse, Bowen, Finley, Houston, Eddie Jones, Spree, Payton, Francis, Pierce, Artest, Redd, Ginobili, Arenas, Hamilton, Joe Johnson.

    Drexler, Iverson, Richmond, Dumars, Blackman, Gervin, Moncrief, Jeff Malone, Lever, Alvin Robertson, Miller, Hornacek, Marjele, Starks, Payton, Sprewell, Penny, Hill, Rice, Eddie Jones, Finley, Houston.

    I would say they are similar. On top of that, the rule changes that make the game a more perimeter friendly game has certainly enhanced some of the production of the players in the 00s.
    So you steal A.I but won't give me Reggie Miller....you're argument is as softcake as you are.... and no...right now Gasol is not a HOF and like i said he's barely an All-Star....this should be irrefutable to those of us with right minds.
    Last edited by Koolaid_Man; 06-23-2011 at 01:40 PM.

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    So how does the refs bringing question to the integrity of the game relate to Jordan as a bad guy?

    The thing is, Jordan's antics to his teammates has never, at least directly, led to him failing his teammates. Unlike Shaq-gate, parking-lot rant, rape trial during playoffs, and refusing to shoot in Game 7.

    gotdam homie...you have the comprehension skills of a gnat. the fact that Refs were bringing Ho's to MJ's hotel room regardless of his marital status is a huge ing question mark as for integrity. Pussy is sacred and special and if they'd bring him pussy then cheating for him in basketball ( i.e calls and special treatment) would be a literal pebble drop in the ocean...

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    So you steal A.I but won't give me Reggie Miller....you're argument is as softcake as you are.... and no...right now Gasol is not a HOF and like i said he's barely an All-Star....this should be irrefutable to those of us with right minds.
    Gasol is only an HOF because he was second fiddle to Kobe on a multi-championship run.

    Same for Pippen. I have a hard time believing someone who averages 16/6/5 for his career would be an HOF deserving player otherwise.

    Argument goes both ways, moron.

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    Gasol is only an HOF because he was second fiddle to Kobe on a multi-championship run.

    Same for Pippen. I have a hard time believing someone who averages 16/6/5 for his career would be an HOF deserving player otherwise.

    Argument goes both ways, moron.

    Gasol is not a HOF....Jordan proved he couldn't win without Pippen....

    and for the record this is the worse thing Kobe has ever done to a teammate..He pushed Gasol and said loudly "MOVE"....Gasol set a pick on Kobe while Kobe was trying to D up his man....


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    *glug**glug* too much *glug* kobe *glug**glug**glug* in my *glug* mouth *glug**glug*

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    So glug...glug....if MJ s on Kobe at 6>5 what does he do to Dirk....Scat in his mouth...

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    So glug...glug....if MJ s on Kobe at 6>5 what does he do to Dirk....Scat in his mouth...
    What'S the point of this post?


    MJ s on everybody anyway

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    What'S the point of this post?


    MJ s on everybody anyway

    not exactly bro...everyone plays their role in this process...lemme explain...

    MJ is the asshole that s, Kobe is the toilet seat (for now), while everyone else makes up the toilet. He sits on the toilet seat but s in the toilet...the never touches Kobe but it's all in Dirk, Duncan, and Lebron's face.

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