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Sacramento had need of a veteran scoring SF and a PG, and could easily have absorbed the money on their cap.
Another dumb .
Wow, ST is really amazing.
Why would Cleveland want to add more salary for Jamison when Jamison is set to come off the books? THEY ARE REBUILDING.
If anything Varejao will be the guy that gets moved because he has 4 years left on his contract, especially with the drafting of Thompson out of UT which makes Varejao's production/minutes expendable.
Some of y'all clowns make David Kahn look like R.C at times.
Last edited by EricD; 06-24-2011 at 10:22 PM.
Sacramento had need of a veteran scoring SF and a PG, and could easily have absorbed the money on their cap.
Or they could just drafted Jimmer, saved 22 million and kept their young core together SINCE THEY ARE REBUILDING.
You're a moron.
R.J and Blair can bring back a decent piece. Just be patient. Go look at the trade thread in think tank- there's plenty of realistic scenarios from posters who are much more knowledgeable than you, that's for sure.
trade rj back to the bucks for jax + fillers (delfino? but prefer a big if they have one under 2m)
if we cant get that backup pg, get jax to play point forward
avoid goodens contract
jax contract expires the same time as ginoboli, thats what? 20-25m off the books, we be under the cap........good for d12 sweepstakes if his serious about coming here....
Amnesty clause
The best the Spurs could offer would probably be RJ, Dice contract, Blair, Joseph, and picks for Jax and Beno.
The Bucks have 3 PGs now with Jennings, Livingston, and Beno but Beno makes the most of the three. Jax and Beno combined salary next season is about $16 mil- Beno as a $7 mil backup is alot of money and both contracts only last 2 yrs.- RJ's lasts 3. Can't see the Bucks wanting that.
Other teams can offer better deals than Spurs.
wont extend ghill, but willing to pay beno 7m or whatever is remainin....beno is still the same wanker the day he left nothing has change about his game or any improvement
RJ, and Blair for Childress, and Warrick..Childress has an extra year on his contract I believe.
Use Mcdyess for big man
All these below actually work by the numbers:
Either Dice for Darko swap. We do need a big body.
If Cleveland really wants to clean house, Varejao, and Graham for Dice, and Bonner.
Dice,and Bonner for Biedrins.
Only ones I can think of which are realistic.
indeed
RJ will be difficult to trade but not impossible. Spurs just need to accept to take back a bad contract for it.
Exactly - we are not going to be able to trade RJ and get someone back of value unless that person has a bad contract as well. So we have to look for someone who is overpaid like RJ but maybe is a better fit and probably also offer a sweetner (Blair, future pick, someones rights) as Eric D has said.
That is why I suggested the RJ/Baron Davis trade with CLE
The only other option is to trade RJ for 2 overpaid scrubs or guys with bad contracts for longer period of time than RJ
CLE has no incentive to give away Jamison (an expiring) or use trade exception (from James) unless they are getting a really good player in return.
There are worse fits, and worse contracts, than Richard Jefferson. Baron Davis is one example.
This might be the only RJ trade scenario that makes sense so far (to CLE for BDavis. I can't see Pop trusting the backup PG role in crunch time to Cory Joseph as a rookie. If TP gets in foul trouble or gets hurt, Davis off the bench makes sense for any realistic chance at contending. Obvious win for him, as he gets to be a vital cog on a winner late in his career.
I watched a lot of Longhorn BB games last year, and Joseph looked shaky running the offense in crunch time, especially late-season. Fearless shooter no doubt, but needs to work on decision-making, even if he had stayed at Texas. Plus, he needs at least a year of seasoning & strength-conditioning, even as a 1st rounder. Glad he's a Spur, but he's a spot contributor at best this year.
Getting RJ out is total addition by subtraction. Watching him go Casper in crunch time is nauseating. That's one thing you can't argue about BDavis -- he's never been afraid to make big shots and put games on his shoulders. When RJ was in the game in crunch time last year, Spurs were playing 4 on 5, which was especially glaring vs. the Grizz.
Our two biggest needs are a skilled big man, and a veteran backup PG. This solves the latter.
I'd be totally onboard w/ this deal.
Disagree..No way pop is going to hand over the starting SF to Leonard right off the bat to a rookie. Sf is still much higher need position than back-up pg and to be honest the spurs are simply looking for a 4th of 5th big man. They are not going to get a starting 4 like most people think. FA I believe is how they are gonna solve these problem area's, not through trades.
I think you posted a while back the suggestion of Travis Outlaw who NJ would like to get rid of it seems just as much as RJ because of his bad year. I would make that trade and hope the fresh start would be good for both.
NJ is almost 20 mil under the current cap, so a bad contract like outlaw is not nearly a big a deal as rj's is too the spurs. No reason for the nets to make that trade unless a sweetner was added by the spurs like a 1st rd pick or a young player like blair or anderson.
Some players that are on bad contracts, have worn out their welcomes, or both and could be the main piece in an RJ trade(I've left out the truly horrible contracts of Arenas, Lewis, and Davis):
ATL- Marvin Williams 4yrs/28M
CHA- Corey Maggette 2yrs/21M
DEN- Al Harrington 4yrs/28M (21M guaranteed)
DET- Richard Hamilton 2yrs/25M
GS- Andres Biedrins 3yrs/27M
NJ- Travis Outlaw 4yrs/28M
PHX- Josh Childress 4yrs/27M
Mavs will give you Haywood and trash for RJ and that no knee Blair....God bless sons
son is this recyclable trash or toxic?Mavs will give you Haywood and trash for RJ and that no knee Blair....God bless sons
While that's true, most teams are going to look at his play since he's been here overall and in the playoffs and it's been not up to par for someone who averaged 22ppg a few seasons back. He is a good spot up 3 point shooter but who the pays one 10 million a season??
The problem is that no one really wants Richard Jefferson. I honestly don't see a team in the league where he fills a need. Who needs a passive wingman who will mostly stand there and chuck 3s instead of using his athleticism to get to the rim? Every team has one of those already.I know RJ can still get to the rim and throw it down, the problem is that he doesn't attack, he just stands in the corner.
And another thing is that he can really only be traded for another bad contract so trading RJ for someone else who is equally on a ty contract like Turkoglu doesn't help. I thought putting Hill and Blair with him would net a decent player but Hill is gone and I don't think teams are as high on Blair as they were after his rookie season, his stock probably isn't that high so I doubt RJ + Blair is going to get us anyone noteworthy.
I'd be on board for Baron Davis if he accepted a 6th man role, came to camp in shape and had no complaints. Although I'm not too sure how long his contract is til and how much it's worth. He can be a solid defender/floor general if he wanted too.I also believe him and tp are pretty good friends.
Agreed.
BDavis' contract = 2 yrs at 14mil each. Horrible. But go look at RJ's salary this year at 8.4 mil. Add that to Dice's salary at 4.86 mil. Suddenly the math gets equal pretty quick. If Dice retires, that nets the Cavs cash savings. For the Spurs, BDavis isn't a long-term commitment....two years....that might be how much is left in the Big Three's window. Makes sense there...
And yeah, I do think Kawhi gets some PT early in the season and if he holds his own (shines on defense and doesn't turtle on offense), he'll be starting by the All-Star break, and deservedly so. I'm hoping Pop learned his lesson, post-Splitter. At least the Spurs won't be playing 4 on 5 anymore....except when Bonner's in the game....
I don't think BDavis is a savior but so far that's one of the few guys that I can see in RJ trade fantasies that might realistically help the Spurs return to contending position again.
The one thing I like about Davis is his contract is up in two years - which would fit in nice with the Spurs time table and I don't think you would have to do much other than attach Dice contract to the deal - and I think at this point in his career he knows he is a backup and would be thrilled to get out of CLE - Hamilton and Maggette would fit the mold of not taking back long term contract though Hamilton more of a SG
I think there are good FA targets for either position (PG of SF) and bottom line RJ was all but benched in a must win game for Spurs, not sure I wouldn't live with growing pains and a few losses to start Leonard from day 1 - of course a lockout shorten season would make that difficult to do.
Realistic potential FA: Dominic McGuire, R. Butler, McGrady, J. Moon, M. Daniels, J. Jefferies
Not as likely but still possible: T. Prince, S. Battier, M. Dunleavey, J. Kopono, J. Howard, G. Hill, and Kirilenko
I am sure I missed some and all the guys listed I am pretty sure are unrestricted FAs
The Clippers need a SF and might be dumb enough to take rj.
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