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  1. 06-26-2011 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAF86
    skills, if I'm building a team from scratch give me O'neal anyday of the week.

    and give me Duncan...why? Because Duncan with Kobe easily wins 6-8 les...Shaq had a shelf life because of his work ethic...and Duncan's personality tells me that Kobe would have dominated him...meaning Duncan would have deferred to Kobe without the arguing back and forth like Shaq did... knowing what I know now...I'd choose Duncan...Duncan got more rings than Shaq had it not been for the 06 dallas choke job...
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  2. 06-26-2011 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    Here is the 2nd half of that game:

    Spurs gave up 88 ppt that year. They gave up 45 to Kobe that night!
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  3. 06-26-2011 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    Who is David Robinson...
    A great player who was 33 and past his prime when Duncan came to town.. And Duncan carried the load to the tune of 2 les with D-Rob. Kobe played great but needed a prime Shaq to carry the load.. What does Kobe do when he is not playing with great bigs? He loses to the Suns or misses the playoffs..
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  4. 06-26-2011 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunkman
    For '01 the Spurs had DA injured, he was the second Spurs scorer and the third best player. DA and Daniels from the bench would have pressured Kobe to play some defense and it would be more difficult for Kobe to shot over DA as he did over Daniels.

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  5. 06-26-2011 #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
    2003 sure, 99' he had a capable Robinson
    D-Rob was very very good in 99 but no longer dominant. He knew it so he handed the reigns over to Duncan..
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  6. 06-26-2011 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
    A great player who was 33 and past his prime when Duncan came to town.. And Duncan carried the load to the tune of 2 les with D-Rob. Kobe played great but needed a prime Shaq to carry the load.. What does Kobe do when he is not playing with great bigs? He loses to the Suns or misses the playoffs..
    But you didn't address my main argument...Kobe > Duncan....give me proof if you have some....
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  7. 06-26-2011 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    But you didn't address my main argument...Kobe > Duncan....give me proof if you have some....
    Kobe didn't carry one team to a championship as the MAN. There's your proof
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  8. 06-26-2011 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    But you didn't address my main argument...Kobe > Duncan....give me proof if you have some....
    I'd say you can make a case either way.. Both have done -loads in their careers. Duncan made first team all NBA a ton, so did Kobe.. Duncan was a great defender, Kobe is (At least accoding to ESPN). Both won multiple rings and finals MVP's with different supporting casts. Both were league MVP's..

    Can go either way..
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  9. 06-26-2011 #84
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    Richard Hamilton > Kobe
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    Quote Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
    The re edness is strong with you.
    When Shaq played against formidable front lines, he was not MDE. '94 Rockets, '99 Spurs, '00 Spurs, '01 Spurs, etc. (off the top of my head) are a few examples. It's just more often than not he feasted off of ty centers. Pretty easy to do when there are only one handful of decent bigs out there.

    This is a guard dominated league. Through it all Kobe has done damage against the likes of AI, VC, McGrady, LBJ, and Wade. 15 years of damage.
    Can TD say that?
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  11. 06-26-2011 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
    Kobe didn't carry one team to a championship as the MAN. There's your proof

    stop whining....Kobe carried the Lakers to 2 les...and Co-Carried 2 more...the only one I give Shaq more credit for is the 1st one....begrudgingly

    now that's fact for your ass devoid of emotional sensationalism...
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  12. 06-26-2011 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAF86

    Richard Hamilton > Kobe
    so you need outside help in a Kobe > Duncan debate....

    tickle my ass some more will ya....
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    Paul Pierce > Kobe
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  14. 06-26-2011 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    stop whining....Kobe carried the Lakers to 2 les...and Co-Carried 2 more...the only one I give Shaq more credit for is the 1st one....begrudgingly

    now that's fact for your ass devoid of emotional sensationalism...
    Kobe rode in in the arms of Shaq the first three, the rode in on Bynum AND Gasol the next two
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  15. 06-26-2011 #90
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    Leandro Barbosa > Kobe
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  16. 06-26-2011 #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAF86


    Leandro Barbosa > Kobe
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  17. 06-26-2011 #92
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    Duncan > Kobe

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  18. 06-26-2011 #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
    Kobe rode in in the arms of Shaq the first three, the rode in on Bynum AND Gasol the next two

    All in all :

    Kobe 5 San Antonio 4

    Kobe 5 Dallas 1

    Kobe 5 Houston 0
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  19. 06-26-2011 #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    All in all :

    Kobe -1 San Antonio 4

    Kobe 0 Dallas 1

    Kobe 0 Houston 0
    Kool, we're tied with Kobe
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  20. 06-26-2011 #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
    Kool, we're tied with Kobe

    like you are....

    MJ didn't play in the league then so those les don't count....
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  21. 06-26-2011 #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    like you are....

    MJ didn't play in the league then so those les don't count....
    Yet you say Kobe is the GOAT. Make up your mind
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  22. 06-26-2011 #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
    Yet you say Kobe is the GOAT. Make up your mind

    If any one deserves a big fat * next to their les it's the 99 Spurs team and the Rockets back-2-back.....Asterik Mutha er....A-S-T-E-R-I-K
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    If any one deserves a big fat * next to their les it's the 99 Spurs team and the Rockets back-2-back.....Asterik Mutha er....A-S-T-E-R-I-K
    as·ter·ik- A common misspelling of the word "asterisk."
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  24. 06-26-2011 #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    All in all :

    Kobe 5 San Antonio 4

    Kobe 5 Dallas 1

    Kobe 5 Houston 0
    That's all bull you swiped from someone else.

    Duncan never lost a Finals. He won 4 of 4.

    He has 3 Finals MVPs

    He has 2 regular season MVPs

    He's the best to ever play his position.

    Done
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  25. 06-26-2011 #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAF86
    Rings count is a good argument to determine if a team is better than another, is re ed to use that argument to compare players though, specially when the player you're advocating for wasn't the best player in his own team for most of those rings.
    If rings dont matter a case can be made for Malone being better than Duncan ...so they do matter. without rings Chuck, Hakeem and shaq all have cases as better players than Duncan. The rings are the main (though not only) reason i choose duncan over those guys ...
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