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    Separation of church and state is part and parcel of the Bill of Rights, as it was the mindset of one of the framers of the Cons ution of the United States. Thomas Jefferson spoke about it in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, and he spoke in favor of religion. It was to protect religion from the state, not to protect the state from religion, although it serves to do both.

    There's no reason to teach creation in schools. They should teach what we know to be true, and science is the art of discovery.

    Religion does not change it's course, by nature, therefore no learning happens. There is only learning of religion, but religion itself does not grow.

    Science does grow, because unlike religion, science is in a constant state of flux. We can put a pinpoint on the now and teach what we currently believe to be true based on evidence, experimental data and sound reasoning. When we make an hypothesis and it turns out to be wrong, we can easily rewrite it and it's taught as such. Religion cannot be rewritten and it's taught as such. Therefore no matter how many mistakes are discovered, what else is learned, the religious are at the mercy of those who wrote the book a couple thousand years ago.

    Science is a constantly updated GPS map.

    Religion doesn't even show the USA.

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    I wonder why kids from private religious schools always outperform kids from secular public schools?
    Have any statistics of economically equitable kids from secular schools versus religious schools?

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    Yes, I do - I believe this country is suffering the consequences of turning away from God. And I also believe it's only going to get worse.
    Meanwhile he's heaping riches and rewards on the Christian Republic of China.

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    Can someone show me where in the cons ution, the concept of "separation of church and state" is?
    I'll let Thomas Jefferson explain it to you:

    "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State"

    To say the creation cannot be taught is a violation of established religion.
    Not true. Teaching creation in theology classes (among other places) is obviously permitted.

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    Have any statistics of economically equitable kids from secular schools versus religious schools?
    I was wondering how long it would take for this knee-jerk argument to appear. To answer your question, yes, there are studies that show, that even when "socioeconomic injustice" is accounted for, the religious schools still kick public school ass.

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    So it's the praying and the teaching of creationism then.

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    Hey, Japan's excellence in math and science must be because they have so many Christian schools!

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    Creationism does not belong in science class but it is OK in social studies class. Religious belief is part of history, sociology, and psychology.

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    I was wondering how long it would take for this knee-jerk argument to appear. To answer your question, yes, there are studies that show, that even when "socioeconomic injustice" is accounted for, the religious schools still kick public school ass.
    I think the question was, how does a secular private school compare to a religious private school.

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    I think the question was, how does a secular private school compare to a religious private school.
    I don't think so.

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    Separation of church and state is part and parcel of the Bill of Rights, as it was the mindset of one of the framers of the Cons ution of the United States. Thomas Jefferson spoke about it in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, and he spoke in favor of religion. It was to protect religion from the state, not to protect the state from religion, although it serves to do both.

    There's no reason to teach creation in schools. They should teach what we know to be true, and science is the art of discovery.

    Religion does not change it's course, by nature, therefore no learning happens. There is only learning of religion, but religion itself does not grow.

    Science does grow, because unlike religion, science is in a constant state of flux. We can put a pinpoint on the now and teach what we currently believe to be true based on evidence, experimental data and sound reasoning. When we make an hypothesis and it turns out to be wrong, we can easily rewrite it and it's taught as such. Religion cannot be rewritten and it's taught as such. Therefore no matter how many mistakes are discovered, what else is learned, the religious are at the mercy of those who wrote the book a couple thousand years ago.

    Science is a constantly updated GPS map.

    Religion doesn't even show the USA.
    Religion grows by picking and choosing the logical inconsistencies contained within itself to conform to reality. Otherwise people don't buy it.

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    I was wondering how long it would take for this knee-jerk argument to appear. To answer your question, yes, there are studies that show, that even when "socioeconomic injustice" is accounted for, the religious schools still kick public school ass.
    Care to link such a study cause your word to me does not amount to .

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    Care to link such a study cause your word to me does not amount to .
    I can link one that actually runs contrary to Darrin's claim:

    http://www.edline.com/uploads/pdf/Pr...oolsReport.pdf

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    I was wondering how long it would take for this knee-jerk argument to appear.
    Waiting around for a knee-jerk response seems counter-intuitive. But then again, so do most of your expectations. Iow, you're an idiot.

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    I don't think so.
    Fine, then I will ask it. I will wait for the answer.

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    You do realize that the author of that article in the beginning invalidates the basis for his conclusion by stating that studies on the subject from either viewpoint are a dime a dozen? Probably not because as a good minion, critical thinking is not important to you.

    Elnono posted another study that came to a different conclusion so your assertion that they beat the pants off of secular schools is at best in doubt.

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    You do realize that the author of that article in the beginning invalidates the basis for his conclusion by stating that studies on the subject from either viewpoint are a dime a dozen? Probably not because as a good minion, critical thinking is not important to you.

    Elnono posted another study that came to a different conclusion so your assertion that they beat the pants off of secular schools is at best in doubt.

    Meh, <swats away gnat>

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    Meh, <swats away gnat>
    <lol owned by imaginary gnats>

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    This is why my home country is better than US of A.

    Everyone know here that creationism is not supers ious nonsense, but Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Sun God, Greek Gods, etc is.

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    Johnny's teachers struggle to teach him how to read, write, add, and subtract. Why anyone would want that teacher delving into incredibly nuanced philosophical issues of religion is beyond me.

    My daughter won't need a public school teacher to inculcate religious teaching to her. My priest, my wife, and I will handle that.

    And whoever said it before is exactly right: most of the nonsense about outlawing religion in schools is just that -- nonsense. If kids want to pray in schools (independently or or in groups) or read the Bible, or talk about religion, there's absolutely nothing in the Cons ution to prohibit that, so long as the school is uninvolved. Why anyone would insist upon having the school become involved in that activity is beyond me.

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    You would think you would've posted a link to the actual study, so we could see the numbers.

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    I was wondering how long it would take for this knee-jerk argument to appear. To answer your question, yes, there are studies that show, that even when "socioeconomic injustice" is accounted for, the religious schools still kick public school ass.
    Link?







    (resolves not to hold breath waiting)

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    Link?







    (resolves not to hold breath waiting)
    Is Darrin's word not good enough for you?

    Shame.

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