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    Everyone's already getting injured left and right. that lockout! They werent able to get good conditioning and now we all have to watch an injury riddled football season.

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    And, after committing to a young QB with potential, not surprisingly, the Cardinals also retain their WR.

    8 years, 120 overall, 50 guaranteed... Fitz under contract from now through age 35 and year 2018.

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    RB Ryan Williams is out for the year.
    I feel bad for the rookie, he was already challenging Beanie Wells for the starting spot this early.

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    not surprisingly, the Cardinals also retain their WR.

    8 years, 120 overall, 50 guaranteed... Fitz under contract from now through age 35 and year 2018.
    Hard to believe this day and age that GMs get such hard ons for wide receivers

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    Diff case for AZ. Fitzgerald has to be paid the money because if you lose him, you lose the fans. He even has the power to suggest which people to sign and he probably was the one who asked the FO to get Kolb instead of getting other cheaper FA qbs.
    ...And Michael Bidwill is not cheap like his father.

    I hope this deal will up the Eagles and ans and overpay D Jackson and Chris Johnson.

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    Yeah exactly^. Anyone who thinks it's as simple as "You don't pay a WR that much money" doesn't understand the situation. Michael Bidwill inherited a 20 year history of cheapness and losing he needs to do everything in his power to put behind the Cardinals. Fitzgerald knew how much leverage he had and like any good businessman used it to get paid. They had two options, let Fitz leave or overpay him, the latter was a MUCH better option.

    Compare Bidwill's decision to Robert Sarver. Since Amare himself wasn't worth a fully guaranteed max contract, Sarver thought it was that simple and let Amare leave. He didn't think about the fact there weren't any better options out there and he didn't think about how the the Suns would remain good/relevant if he let Amare leave rather than overpay Amare. It's not like Bidwill coulda signed Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but instead chose Fitzgerald.

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    Losing games loses fans.

    This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.

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    The position of wide receiver in the nfl is not even in the same galaxy of importance as pf in the nba

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    Losing games loses fans.

    This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.
    Not really. The division is weak, so with a solid offense and defense, they'll be compe ive. Maybe towards the end, but who can foresee that far. Plus it's the NFL, so a restructured deal is always a likelihood in the event the production no longer justifies the contract.

    What this does is undoes the message that last offseason helped to refoster, that Arizona will resign its proven players. After Dansby and Rolle were allowed to leave, with Boldin shipped out, and with a team payroll 20+ million under the CAP, the notion of the Cardinals being the same ol' cheapskate Cardinals entered the consciousness. This deal, coupled with Kolb shows a commitment not seen last offseason. Arizona still has weaknesses, which will be limited in being filled by the two signings, but it's crucial to have a young QB with potential and the face of your franchise.

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    The position of wide receiver in the nfl is not even in the same galaxy of importance as pf in the nba
    It really depends on your team and how they scheme.
    For a passing team like the Cards, Fitz may only get 7-10 catches, may not sound a lot considering his price but it opens up the whole field. TEs gets open, y and z WRs gets open, even the running game benefits too because the defense will focus more on trying to stop the pass.

    Only elite WRs can command this much attention though elites like Fitz and Andre Johnson.

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    Losing games loses fans.

    This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.
    Fitz and Kolb's salary were frontloaded. With the amount of good draft picks by the cards and the older FAs they signed, they can still sign good FAs in 3-4 yrs from now.

    And who knows what the value of WRs will be next year or 2 yrs from now. Im sure as Fitzgerald will not be the highest paid WR for long.

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    The position of wide receiver in the nfl is not even in the same galaxy of importance as pf in the nba
    The WR position isn't important if you have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning at QB. When you have at QB and need to hope a career backup pans out, You need all the help you can get at receiver.

    I'd love to hear who they shoulda signed instead of Fitz.

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    Losing games loses fans.

    This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.
    right and I'm sure the ing Arizona Cardinals woulda been winning for the next 5 years if they let their best player in franchise history leave.

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    Not really. The division is weak, so with a solid offense and defense.
    Arizona still has weaknesses, which will be limited in being filled by the two signings
    do they have a solid defense right now or not?

    seems to me that a 5-11 record says no.

    but it's crucial to have a young QB with potential and the face of your franchise.
    I agree that QB is absolutely crucial.

    WR is not.

    With as many productive WRs out there you can get on the cheap, there's no reason to overspend and mortgage some of your future on a guy that touches the ball 5-8 times a game.

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    With as many productive WRs out there you can get on the cheap
    Name some of these productive receivers the Arizona Cardinals could have gotten cheap.

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    do they have a solid defense right now or not?

    seems to me that a 5-11 record says no.
    Their offense was so bad last year and their defensive coordinator was such a moron it's hard to say what their defense is. When you're on the field 2/3rds of the game and start off defending you're own territory, it's hard to play well.

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    It really depends on your team and how they scheme.
    For a passing team like the Cards, Fitz may only get 7-10 catches, may not sound a lot considering his price but it opens up the whole field. TEs gets open, y and z WRs gets open, even the running game benefits too because the defense will focus more on trying to stop the pass.

    Only elite WRs can command this much attention though elites like Fitz and Andre Johnson.
    most Super Bowl teams have gotten there without elite WRs.

    They are nice to have but paying that much for guys like Fitz or Marshall is just stupid.

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    Most superbowl teams have elite QBs. If you don't have an elite QB in today's NFL you need a stud receiver. Most likely it wouldn't even matter tho since elite QBs are kinda must regardless what else you have.

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    right and I'm sure the ing Arizona Cardinals woulda been winning for the next 5 years if they let their best player in franchise history leave.
    dunno if they woulda been winning or not without Fitz.

    I do know now they won't win for the next 5.

    But at least you can wear your Fitz jert with pride.

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    dunno if they woulda been winning or not without Fitz.

    I do know now they won't win for the next 5.
    , so they woulda had a better shot at winning a superbowl in the next 5 years if they let Fitz leave?

    I'd love to hear how that works. Still waiting on better options they had.

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    Name some of these productive receivers the Arizona Cardinals could have gotten cheap.
    I don't know who exactly they could get this particular year off the top of my head.

    I do know with that kind of money in the next couple of years, there will be several average-above average WRs that would be available plus room to get some help on D.

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    , so they woulda had a better shot at winning a superbowl in the next 5 years if they let Fitz leave?
    yes, imo.

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    I don't know who
    Yeah that's what I thought.

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    Most superbowl teams have elite QBs. If you don't have an elite QB in today's NFL you need a stud receiver. Most likely it wouldn't even matter tho since elite QBs are kinda must regardless what else you have.
    how many times has a team won a Super Bowl with an elite WR and a non-elite QB?

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    Yeah that's what I thought.
    I don't know who exactly they could get this particular year off the top of my head.

    I do know with that kind of money in the next couple of years, there will be several average-above average WRs that would be available plus room to get some help on D.

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