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  1. #51
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    how many times has a team won a Super Bowl with an elite WR and a non-elite QB?
    You can't go by history when the recent NFL is unlike anything else. You don't even need a good running game or good offensive line anymore, if you don't have a good pass offense you have no shot. When you don't have an elite QB, the only way you can have a good passing offense is surrounding a QB like Kolb with play making receivers. It's a really simple concept you're not getting.

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    , so they woulda had a better shot at winning a superbowl in the next 5 years if they let Fitz leave?

    I'd love to hear how that works. Still waiting on better options they had.
    Fitz contract will be tying up some cap space.

    Limiting your future options on a WR is stupid.

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    I do know with that kind of money in the next couple of years, there will be several average-above average WRs that would be available plus room to get some help on D.
    None of which would have had any interest in signing with Arizona after they just got criticized for being cheap with their best player ever and letting him leave.

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    You can't go by history when the recent NFL is unlike anything else. You don't even need a good running game or good offensive line anymore, if you don't have a good pass offense you have no shot. When you don't have an elite QB, the only way you can have a good passing offense is surrounding a QB like Kolb with play making receivers. It's a really simple concept you're not getting.
    in the most recent of NFL histories, when has a team won or even gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + elite WR?

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    Fitz contract will be tying up some cap space.
    A front loaded contract will tie up less cap space every year. I also didn't know the Cardinals were a team that ever came close to going over the cap.

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    None of which would have had any interest in signing with Arizona after they just got criticized for being cheap with their best player ever and letting him leave.
    so the better option is to hamper your ability to sign future players by overpaying on a non-essential position.

    neato.

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    in the most recent of NFL histories, when has a team won or even gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + elite WR?
    When has a team gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + a non-ellite WR? You act like the Cardinals chose to have an elite WR over an elite QB.

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    A front loaded contract will tie up less cap space every year. I also didn't know the Cardinals were a team that ever came close to going over the cap.
    k, if youre happy about it and other players think they will get paid now because of the Fitz deal, great, that's all that matters.

    I will continue to lol at the Cardinals.

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    so the better option is to hamper your ability to sign future players by overpaying on a non-essential position.

    neato.
    You act like Arizona is the mecca of the NFL and the Cardinals have the ability to use free agency as a means to fill essential positions.

    And you still haven't given me a specific example of what the Cardinals should have gone after.

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    I will continue to lol at the Cardinals.
    I'm sure if they let Fitz leave you would be loling at the Cardinals anyway

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    When has a team gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + a non-ellite WR? You act like the Cardinals chose to have an elite WR over an elite QB.
    except for rare occasions, an elite QB is essential every time.

    an elite WR has never been essential.

    I'm acting like they are spending stupid money on a WR instead of plugging holes.

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    If you don't think Fitzgerald was essential to the Cardinals reaching the superbowl a few years ago, or if you don't think Jerry Rice was essential to the 49ers superbowls, I have no idea what to say.

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    I'm sure if they let Fitz leave you would be loling at the Cardinals anyway
    yeah, they would probably suck any way

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    If you don't think Fitzgerald was essential to the Cardinals reaching the superbowl a few years ago, or if you don't think Jerry Rice was essential to the 49ers superbowls, I have no idea what to say.
    I think Warner was on fire.

    Fitz was playing last year on the 5-11 team, right?

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    yeah, they would probably suck any way
    Huh? I thought letting Fitzgerald leave would give them the best chance at winning!

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    You act like Arizona is the mecca of the NFL and the Cardinals have the ability to use free agency as a means to fill essential positions.
    lol mecca

    And you still haven't given me a specific example of what the Cardinals should have gone after.
    I'll look into.

    Of course, when other teams sign solid, fair price WRs next year and the Cards can't, I'll be sure to point it out.

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    I think Warner was on fire.
    So you think they reach the superbowl without Fitz having the best playoff run of any receiver in NFL history?

    Fitz was playing last year on the 5-11 team, right?
    What's your point? Do you think they woulda been better without him?

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    Huh? I thought letting Fitzgerald leave would give them the best chance at winning!
    best chance at winning =/= automatically winning

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    But best chance at winning = probably still sucking?

    Det's some awesome logic.

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    Arizona really had no other choice but to sign him, especially after getting fleeced in the Kolb deal. If they would've let him bolt then that would be a hard sell to the fans. Still though, Fitz is a top 3 wide-out imo, along w/ Dre and Megatron.

    It's a lot of money to tie up in a WR, but they need him.

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    But best chance at winning = probably still sucking?

    Det's some awesome logic.
    probably still sucking, tbh.

    door shut with Fitz contract, imo.

    door cracked open without Fitz and more room to maneuver, imo.

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    What Dok said, AZ has to overpay to get players to play for them.
    Cardinals doesnt have an elite QB, RB or defensive lineman, if Fitz walked, who's left?

    Again, both Kolb and Fitz have front loaded contracts. Kolb will be a 2yr tryout and they can cut him if he doesnt workout.

    These are people who think of things in advance and are super smart with money, there's a reason why we are all just in a sports forum and not on a sports team's payroll.

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    So you think they reach the superbowl without Fitz having the best playoff run of any receiver in NFL history?
    That defense was stacked, sending guys like Delhomme to the t of w.

    Edgerrin and Hightower were running pretty good too.

    Might have had a hard time winning that Philly game, but I'd say it's very possible.

    Without Warner though, forget it.


    What's your point? Do you think they woulda been better without him?
    I'm saying if a team can go 5-11 with Fitz playing full speed, then why the would you want to pay him QB money?

    You don't need an elite WR.

    You need elite QBs and linemen.

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    What Dok said, AZ has to overpay to get players to play for them.
    Cardinals doesnt have an elite QB, RB or defensive lineman, if Fitz walked, who's left?
    you gotta give the money to the non-skill players.

    Again, both Kolb and Fitz have front loaded contracts. Kolb will be a 2yr tryout and they can cut him if he doesnt workout.

    These are people who think of things in advance and are super smart with money, there's a reason why we are all just in a sports forum and not on a sports team's payroll.
    As of today, Jerry Jones has 4 kickers on the roster.

    Not smart, tbh.

    Cards looked super smart in 2008. Today they just look lucky.

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    Team went 5-11 because they didnt know what their iden y is.
    -They got 2 decent running back tandems that were not used.
    -They have 3 awful QBs who were used a lot.

    Fitz is a beast and can catch bad throws but he is not a god who can catch balls sailing 10 feet over his head.

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