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Since it's Sony's proprietary technology and they'll be licensing it to said manufacturers at THEIR price point, I doubt very much that the costs will go down.
All those things mentioned were mass adoption products on a global scale.
HD media is still a niche market (basically about 2% of the market compared to 98% of the market for regular DVDs).
Sony had been subsidizing the BR disc production costs for all studios producing BR content. I don't see them continuing to do that now with the format war essentially over, and like I said - someone's going to be paying the cost of all those production lines - and you can bet it won't be the studios. It will be passed on to the consumer.
So go ahead with all the virtual high fives, and be prepared to be raped by Sony and co. for years to come (remember they kept selling their UMD discs at $30 a pop for the PSP until recently). Sony's still got to recoup about 7 billion in R&D costs on BR, and that's not even getting into the payoffs for Disney, Fox, Lionsgate, and Warner. In short, pass the vaseline.
Edit: by the way, on the news yesterday, Sony has bumped the price back up on its standalone players - the BDP-S300 back up to 399.99 from 299.99 everywhere today. Yep, prices *obviously* will go down with this announcement
Niche market or not, the HD-DVD facilities are the same ones that were previously making regular DVDs.
Until those other facilities are constructed for Blu-Ray production, we will continue to see high disc prices. Those manufacturing facilities, in turn, will not be constructed until the 'format war' outcome is known. Simple really.
SONY only has a stake in the technology; because they helped develop it and invested lots of money into perfecting it. They have a minimum vested stake in the manufacture of the discs themselves. Those subsidies you mention are a necessary cost for them to 'win' said war.
Bottom line is that you continue to falsely assert that Blu-Rays are more expensive because SONY is trying to rape the customer and ignoring the fact that the costs are related to the disc's high manufacturing cost. A fact that will change once Blu-Ray becomes the standard format for High-Definition storage.
True, the Blu-Ray players themselves are expensive; but once the 'war' is over more manufacturers will begin to produce Blu-Ray players bringing those costs down as well.
Since it's Sony's proprietary technology and they'll be licensing it to said manufacturers at THEIR price point, I doubt very much that the costs will go down.
When was teh last Sony proprietry item to sell cheaply ?
Come on ex, listen to Phenomenal. Now that they've won the format war, Sony is going to become a charitable organization to all consumers
Don't confuse the Sony fanboy with facts Manny, that's not nice.
Come on ex, listen to Phenomenal. Now that they've won the format war, Sony is going to become a charitable organization to all consumers
The technology was developed in conjunction with Panasonic, Pioneer among other tech companies. In fact, those companies already manufacture Blu-Ray players with more models looming on the horizon. They don't owe any more to SONY than they have already paid. They are co-developers of the technology.
While it is true that all companies have to be profitable to stay in business. AHF is right... they are not charitable companies (SONY in particular). AHF, however, continues to be wrong in asserting that HD-DVD technology is superior to Blu-Ray simply because he dislikes SONY's corporate tactics. That argument is devoid of any technological assessment.
And yes, I too can play the sarcasm game. I guess AHF is oblivious to the fact that another giant, a company by the name of Microsoft, is one of the chief proponents backing up the HD-DVD camp... I seem to have missed the press release announcing their conversion from a business to charitable organization (especially given the fact that they too have high stakes in the outcome of the 'format war'... wasn't it Microsoft that helped subsidize the payment that made Universal Studios go strictly HD-DVD?)...
Besides, I've already explained that the reason for the price difference between Blu-Ray discs and HD-DVDs is attributed to their respective manufacturing costs. But it is his perogative to be obtuse. So be it.
Hey... I just happen to like Disney. Is there a problem with that?Don't confuse the Sony fanboy with facts Manny, that's not nice.
Goodie, technological assessment as to which is better. Stupid me, all along I thought it was about what looked better on my TV.
Enjoy your $34.95 BR discs.
I never said Microsoft was a charity, I just said that Sony has shown in the past that they want to push proprietary formats onto the consumer that they are the primary patent and license holder for, and it never turns out good for the consumer.
There are reports out that they paid Warner Bros. $500 million to go BR, and Fox another $200 million to stay BR exclusive. Yep, I'm sure prices will be coming down any day now on BR, Sony won't be looking to make back that three quarters of a billion dollars or anything...
I love all of the sony BR fanboys crying foul when Microsoft paid companies to go HD exclusive...now they pull out the check books...interesting. I know Sony makes good product, I have had their product over the years but when it comes to their proprietary products they usually failed (See mini disk)...so we'll see, so far I haven't taken the plunge on HD or BR.....
I just have to say this. If I recall, the manufacturing cost difference id only about a penny per disk.
Wow... that's really going to make a difference...
It's not confirmed but Paramount might go Blu-ray exclusive also.
Here's the link: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc409afa-b...b5df10621.html
If that is true(which i highly doubt) it just adds to the outrage at the price differences between HD-DVD and br.
Just wait til' they hand the bottle of vaseline over to the consumers.
you think you're getting vaseline? only for an additional fee.
ing sony.
(this post typed on a vaio notebook. sigh.)
I will stand by my conviction that Blu-Ray will win. Primarily because it is cheaper.
I know, I know.. Per disk with the same number of layers, Blu-Ray costs more. However, when half or more of the Blu-Ray les are on one layer disks and nearly all the HD-DVD must be two layer disks... Blu-Ray is by far cheaper to mass produce!
There are other reasons, but that is the primary one
Who's predictions came true, who's didn't?
tbh, cost had noting to do with it. Studios backing up the format did.
Bla bla bla...
Sorry, it's the technical realities. Same as it was with Beta vs. VHS.
Again, it is cheaper to make movies that fit single layer than requiring double layer. It is true that HD-DVD was cheaper at a per layer cost, but no standard length movie fit on a single layer like they do with Bluray.
25 GB/layer vs. 15 GB/layer.
That was the decider.
Nothing like Beta vs VHS, actually. Don't get defensive though, I didn't say you botched your prediction or anything. Just that cost, if anything, was against BluRay.
What you forget is that originally the BluRay discs needed a full size caddy which was pretty expensive and made it incompatible with the current crop of DVD production.
What made the difference is that Sony owned a movie studio and Toshiba didn't. Sony was much more entrenched in Hollywood and knew how to get the other studios lined up. Sony also bundled the drive with the PS3, as opposed to Microsoft, which sold it as a separate device.
From wiki:
Deciding factors
The format war's resolution in favor of Blu-ray was primarily decided by two factors: shifting business alliances, including decisions by major film studios and retail distributors,[38] and Sony's decision to include a Blu-ray player in the PlayStation 3 video game console.
Basically, when Warner jumped ship from HD-DVD to BluRay, that was the end of that. Notice that at that point HD-DVD was cheaper than BluRay.
OK, I stand corrected. I forgot that it's true if the internet says so.
What's your source for the re ed you posted?
What...
That you always believe what wiki says?
What's the source for the re ed you posted?. Answer the question.
Source for this
You know, wiki is edited by people who often use their own opinions. The source article doesn't state the root causes. However when you dig into the technical data, bluRay wins hands down.
Think 3D would be possible on HD-DVD? no. HD-DVD was not able to handle all existing formats as it was then. You can be assured 3D was already in planning and development.
Read the source material wiki references. That link is gone, but here is the article:
NEWS / BLU-RAY PLAYERS
Toshiba Quits HD DVD Business
All the players decision to back BluRay you can bet was because of technical specifications.
Do you read what you link?
"The trend became decisive I think this year," he said. "When Warner made its decision, it was basically over."
And you said the reason was cost, not technical... nice goal post move.
What was the source for the re ed you posted earlier?
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