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HOLY ! The FBI furnished the money to buy the "Fast and furious" guns?
Executive Branch - POLITICS
EXCLUSIVE: Third Gun Linked to 'Fast and Furious' Identified at Border Agent's Murder Scene
By William Lajeunesse
Published September 09, 2011
A third gun linked to "Operation Fast and Furious" was found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, new do ents obtained exclusively by Fox News suggest, contradicting earlier assertions by federal agencies that police found only two weapons tied to the federal government's now infamous gun interdiction scandal.
Sources say emails support their contention that the FBI concealed evidence to protect a confidential informant. Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry.
This undated photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection shows U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry. Terry was fatally shot north of the Arizona-Mexico border while trying to catch bandits who target undo ented immigrants, the leader of a union representing agents said Wednesday, Dec. 15, 2010.
Unlike the two AK-style assault weapons found at the scene, the third weapon could more easily be linked to the informant. To prevent that from happening, sources say, the third gun "disappeared."
In addition to the emails obtained by Fox News, an audio recording from a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent investigating the Terry case seems to confirm the existence of a third weapon. In that conversation, the agent refers to an "SKS assault rifle out of Texas" found at the Terry murder scene south of Tucson.
The FBI refused to answer a detailed set of questions submitted to officials by Fox News. Instead, agency spokesman Paul Bresson said, "The Brian Terry investigation is still ongoing so I cannot comment." Bresson referred Fox News to court records that only identify the two possible murder weapons.
However, in the hours after Terry was killed on Dec. 14, 2010, several emails written to top ATF officials suggest otherwise.
In one, an intelligence analyst writes that by 7:45 p.m. -- about 21 hours after the shooting -- she had successfully traced two weapons at the scene, and is now "researching the trace status of firearms recovered earlier today by the FBI."
In another email, deputy ATF-Phoenix director George Gillett asks: "Are those two (AK-47s) in addition to the gun already recovered this morning?"
The two AK-type assault rifles were purchased by Jaime Avila from the Lone Wolf Trading Co. outside of Phoenix on Jan. 16, 2010. Avila was recruited by his roommate Uriel Patino. Patino, according to sources, received $70,000 in "seed money" from the FBI informant late in 2009 to buy guns for the cartel.
According to a memo from Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley, who oversaw the operation, Avila began purchasing firearms in November 2009, shortly after Patino, who ultimately purchased more than 600 guns and became the largest buyer of guns in Operation Fast and Furious.
Months ago, congressional investigators developed information that both the FBI and DEA not only knew about the failed gun operation, but that they may be complicit in it. House Government Reform and Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, fired off letters in July requesting specific details from FBI director Robert Mueller and Drug Enforcement Administration chief Michele Leonhart.
"In recent weeks, we have learned of the possible involvement of paid FBI informants in Operation Fast and Furious," Issa and Grassley wrote to Mueller. "Specifically, at least one individual who is allegedly an FBI informant might have been in communication with, and was perhaps even conspiring with, at least one suspect whom ATF was monitoring."
Sources say the FBI is using the informants in a national security investigation. The men were allegedly debriefed by the FBI at a safe house in New Mexico last year.
Sources say the informants previously worked for the DEA and U.S. Marshall's Office but their contracts were terminated because the men were "stone-cold killers." The FBI however stopped their scheduled deportation because their high ranks within the cartel were useful.
In their July letter, Issa and Grassley asked Mueller if any of those informants were ever deported by the DEA or any other law enforcement en y and how they were repatriated.
Asked about the content of the emails, a former federal prosecutor who viewed them expressed shock.
"I have never seen anything like this. I can see the FBI may have an informant involved but I can't see them tampering with evidence. If this is all accurate, I'm stunned," the former prosecutor said.
“This information confirms what our sources were saying all along -- that the FBI was covering up the true cir stances of the murder of Brian Terry," added Mike Vanderboegh, an authority on the Fast and Furious investigation who runs a whistleblower website called Sipsey Street.
"It also confirms that the FBI was at least as culpable, and perhaps more culpable, than the ATF in the (Fast and Furious) scandal, and that there was some guiding hand above both these agencies (and the other agencies involved) coordinating the larger operation," Vanderboegh said.
Asked about the new evidence, Terry family attorney Pat McGroder said, "The family wants answers. They'd like to put this to rest and put closure to exactly what happened to Brian."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1XTo6qRSp
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I believe an investigation will eventually show Eric Holder signed off on the idiotic plan.
I also believe the whole plot was designed to feed the narrative that U.S. guns are fueling the violence in Mexico. A position with which Obama has been sympathetic.
Are they still translating the do ents in Iraq?
"U.S. guns are fueling the violence in Mexico"
That's a fact.
proxy buyers are stocking up at gun stores and private dealers along the southwest border states and muling to MX or just to local drug operators.
The NRA, the guns and ammo industry, and 2nd Amendment whiner scam is all about the $$$, not about "rights" or "freedom" or "home/self defense".
I suppose there are some profoundly stupid, ignorant gun fetishists, Yoni?, who still believe Barry intends to take all their guns and ammo because he's going to install a Sharia govt.
Remember the exhaustion of ammo inventory just after Barry was sworn in? That was all about the NRA and gun industry generating $$$, not based on any Barry fact or program.
Fact or not, you have to have a willing criminal in the USA with access to guns to sell them. The typical citizen can't get that many. The government can get ridiculous numbers."U.S. guns are fueling the violence in Mexico"
That's a fact.
proxy buyers are stocking up at gun stores and private dealers along the southwest border states and muling to MX or just to local drug operators.
The NRA, the guns and ammo industry, and 2nd Amendment whiner scam is all about the $$$, not about "rights" or "freedom" or "home/self defense".
I suppose there are some profoundly stupid, ignorant gun fetishists, Yoni?, who still believe Barry intends to take all their guns and ammo because he's going to install a Sharia govt.
Remember the exhaustion of ammo inventory just after Barry was sworn in? That was all about the NRA and gun industry generating $$$, not based on any Barry fact or program.
It's simple. Don't commit a gun trade crime in America. The government doesn't like compe ion. Can't be putting these government agents out of work now, can we?
"you have to have a willing criminal in the USA"
About 50K licensed gun dealers:
"The number of gun dealers in America has dropped by 194,998 since 1994 according to a new study released today by the Violence Policy Center (VPC). The study (see http://www.vpc.org/studies/dealers07.pdf) found that the number of Type 1 Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs) plummeted 79 percent: from 245,628 in 1994 to 50,630 in 2007"
http://www.vpc.org/press/0708ffl.htm
How many do you think are sometimes/frequently selling guns to proxy buyers? the same percentage of welfare people that do drugs 2%? that 1000 crooked gun dealers, then throw in the unlicensed private guns dealers.
It's overwhelmingly above all a ing business, legal or illegal, not about 2nd Amendment crap.
Data without reason...
How many do you think purchased other dealers out?
How many do you think had failed businesses in this economy?
Then....
You assume they are illegally selling quan y. Sure, a few can get slipped by, but you think the feds are going to not notice quan ies?
Maybe your rational is that the Feds made them fail due to compe ion, where the Feds sold more, and cut into their profits?
That's some pretty harsh allegations to make about the dealers with zero evidence.
LOL...
At least the city liberals can't take away all our freedoms in Oregon:
today only five states have more gun dealers than gas stations: Alaska; Idaho; Montana; Oregon; and, Wyoming.
So you're backing down from your contention that civilians don't have access to that many weapons?
I guess we do in five states.
I never said we didn't have access. I think the government in some cases makes it too difficult to own a gun. I'll bet the biggest number of cuts were the "kitchen table dealers," of which most I bet were legal citizens not committing crimes, but to reduce the red tape for personal purchases.
Thing is with criminals, they will always find a way around the law. Laws and regulations create better criminals. Need to hit them hard when caught, and with illegal gun sales, maybe apply the death penalty.
Well, they wouldn't be criminals if they didn't go around the law in the first place, right?
Care to back this up?
Some things are truths of nature. It isn't only the Marines that "Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome." Just about any smart person can.
IOW, you can't back that up. Didn't think you could.
You want me to back up common sense?
Back up it's "common sense"
In the fast and furious case the system worked as designed, it was the government that acted disfunctionally and marginally illegally. The gun dealer CALLED the ATF and notified them he suspected (but as an ordinary citizen with no investigative authority couldn't say for sure) his customer was making straw purchases and that they should check the guy out.
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