Its hilarious that prior to Spree&Cassell arriving Wally was the best player KG had ever played alongside (unless you want to include a young disgruntled Marbury or an aging Brandon)...yet his teams are no excuse for why KG lost, he simply wasnt as good as Dirk.
Dirk has been offensively good for longer than KG, but Dirk is average at best on defense. Why people don't consider the full game of a player instead of just the offensive stats is beyond me.
With KG, you basically had two players: one who could score the ball and one who could prevent points at the other end.
With Dirk, you have a scorer who cannot defend the paint. That's why Dallas had to bring in Tyson Chandler to guard the ing rim because Dirk, a 7 footer, cannot.
If you're going to subtract and add credibility to the surrounding cast, owners included, then it goes both ways. If you want to subtract Dirk's legitimacy due to Cuban, then you have to subtract KG's due to Pierce and Ray.
Again, I don't see how everyone can bash Lebron and Bosh, but KG and Ray get away with it.
Tbh I still think it was a supporting cast
Lebron was a contender in Cleveland. No one gives a about Bosh. Lebron had the ability to win it all if he could get some cohesion and some non-convict players to join him. Neither KG nor Ray nor Paul had that going for them.
Anyhow, Lebron is in his prime. KG was not.
Also, it's more about how he went to Miami than the fact that he did. Two superstars like James and Wade team up, that's nothing like KG and Ray Allen.
I think if you keep saying that over and over, with nothing to back it up, it'll eventually be true!
no, you said Prime KG would kill Dirk. but he didn't. in their head to head matchup, Dirk outplayed the living out of KG, especially when being guarded by him. KG had absolutely no answer for him, and never has consistently been able to do to stop Dirk.
and for whatever its worth, they also had Chauncey Billups. and for role players, they didnt exactly have complete , as Nesterovic, Peeler, and Trent were all giving decent bench minutes.
and obviously your dumb ass didnt realize that Hardaway nor Howard were on the Mavericks at that time
im not going to deny it, the Mavs had a better squad, but its not like it was just KG, Wally, and absolutely no help whatsoever after that. he had good enough of a team to not get swept like they did... that is, if KG was actually sooooooooooo much better than Dirk as you continue to claim. if he was that much better, they would have won at least one game, but they didnt.
Mav fan homerism at it's finest.
Dirk only dropped 30, 31, and 39 points in the 3 games that series. Prime KG dominated him, forcing Dirk into a weak ass 30 for 57 from the field. Dirk was also total on defense, getting a measly 47 rebounds in 3 games, to go along with a borderline nonexistant 9 steals and 4 blocks.
Meanwhile Prime KG shot a badass 24 of 56 from the field, and we all know 43% is as respectable a shooting percentage as there is for PF's. Meanwhile Prime KG's 5 blocks showed his absolute defensive dominance compared to Dirk's 4. Prime KG also had 5 steals, Dirk only had 9
Add it all up and on paper Prime KG swept Dirk in that series.
And before anyone says "Prime KG and Dirk didn't guard each other in that series" I just want to say it's ing stupid to think a dominant defensive force like Prime KG would ever be used to guard Raef ing LaFrentz.
You also didn't realize it, which is why you had to post twice to mention it.and for whatever its worth, they also had Chauncey Billups. and for role players, they didnt exactly have complete , as Nesterovic, Peeler, and Trent were all giving decent bench minutes.
and obviously your dumb ass didnt realize that Hardaway nor Howard were on the Mavericks at that time
No, they weren't good enough. They lost in the first round like 7 times in a row. That's not good enough to not get swept by prime Nash, Finley and Dirk (and anyone else you want to throw in there).im not going to deny it, the Mavs had a better squad, but its not like it was just KG, Wally, and absolutely no help whatsoever after that. he had good enough of a team to not get swept like they did... that is, if KG was actually sooooooooooo much better than Dirk as you continue to claim. if he was that much better, they would have won at least one game, but they didnt.
Anyone who's been around long enough to remember it knows that KG was in a hole for years, but he was the highest paid player in the game, so he stuck around. It's his fault, for sure, but put KG on that Mavs team instead of Dirk and the Mavs probably at least make the WCF.
Dirk didn't get respect for a reason: he was soft as . He would kill you on offense, but was pretty much absent on defense. A 7 footer who can shoot the 3 is really really hard to stop on offense (and he shot it a lot back then), and he didn't do any work at the other end to tire himself out.
Dirk only dropped 30, 31, and 39 points in the 3 games that series. Prime KG dominated him, forcing Dirk into a weak ass 30 for 57 from the field. Dirk was also total on defense, getting a measly 47 rebounds in 3 games, to go along with a borderline nonexistant 9 steals and 4 blocks.
Meanwhile Prime KG shot a badass 24 of 56 from the field, and we all know 43% is as respectable a shooting percentage as there is for PF's. Meanwhile Prime KG's 5 blocks showed his absolute defensive dominance compared to Dirk's 4. Prime KG also had 5 steals, Dirk only had 9
Add it all up and on paper Prime KG swept Dirk in that series.
There's a reason he never won a ring until this year.
as evidenced by 9 steals and 4 blocks in 3 games, something defensive force Prime KG managed to dominate with 5 and 5 of his own. Holding KG to 43% might be impressive, but we all know Dirk never guarded Prime KG, Dallas let their defensive stopper Raef LaFrentz do that.
Yeah but you're the one who was around long enough to remember it. So how did you get that so wrong?
yeaa im just completely pulling out of my ass when i say that
Add to that that he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team in regular season (trailed Pierce by less than a point), leading scorer on the team in playoffs (beat Pierce by less than a point), anchor of the defense, leading rebounder, Top 3 in assist, blocks, and steals.
Chauncey Billupsand for whatever its worth, they also had Chauncey Billups. and for role players, they didnt exactly have complete , as Nesterovic, Peeler, and Trent were all giving decent bench minutes.
and obviously your dumb ass didnt realize that Hardaway nor Howard were on the Mavericks at that time
im not going to deny it, the Mavs had a better squad, but its not like it was just KG, Wally, and absolutely no help whatsoever after that. he had good enough of a team to not get swept like they did... that is, if KG was actually sooooooooooo much better than Dirk as you continue to claim. if he was that much better, they would have won at least one game, but they didnt.
Also ing lol at somehow trying to prove that KG's cast wasnt absolute by mentioning Gary Trent and Anthony Peeler
LaFrentz was one of the better shot-blockers during that time tbh, and a better defender than Dirk ever was. One series doesnt change the fact that no GM in their right mind wouldve taken a prime Dirk over a prime KG. Even after Dirk 'dominated' KG that series, noone other than re ed Mav homers considered Dirk a better PF.
A 7 footer can accidentally get 4 blocks in 3 games.
Raef had 5 blocks in game 1.
I guess KG's defensive dominance is why he managed to get one more than Dirk got on accident.
andat Raef LaFrentz being a good defender. Maybe when they make the Mt. Rushmore of defensive centers, they'll have a healthy debate on who is the fourth face to make it.......we all know Russell, Mutombo, and LaFrentz are locks.
You don't need quotes. He did. It's a ing statistical fact.
Prime KG got ass raped by Still Developing Dirk.
KG's so good historically that in his prime, he was left off an all-nba team.
It's true. Dominating somebody head to head certainly doesn't prove who the better player is or anything. Let's not get ahead of ourselves
You seem to think there was Dirk and then there was KG, and no one else on the floor for either team.I guess KG's defensive dominance is why he managed to get one more than Dirk got on accident.
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There's a reason Dirk's career average for blocks is so low for a 7 footer.
KG's playoff average is just under 1.4 blocks per game.
Dirk's is under 1.
Dirk was not the reason KG didn't do well in that series. Tim had series were he didn't do as well as Dirk, yet no one but homers considers Dirk a better PG than Tim.
Dirk is far and away a better shooter than just about anyone in the league, if not the best. He's not a defensive presence in the paint however. No one called Tyson and Dirk the "twin towers" and for a reason.
Also, how can this not be Dirk's prime year? Didn't he win a ring this year?
When has Dirk ever been better than he his now?
The fact that he's hit his peak so late in his career is a testament to the fact that he's only a shooter.
Dirk's all defensive team nods? 0
KG's? 5 on the first team, 2 on the 2nd
Granted, Dirk's perimeter play isn't conducive to defensive stats, but you cannot have it both ways. His (and his team's) offense is also greatly affected by the fact he's an outside shooter.
Adding
But that was mainly due to Duncan falling out of his prime. Plus, it's not like Dirk has outplayed Duncan basically every time like he has with Garnett.
Nobody watched the Dallas games back then.
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