, thanks for making my point...
Looks like it was smart to overpay Beltre.
lol
i will still say that overpaying for Lee would have been the smarter choice, as mono says
but getting Beltre isn't too far behind, definitely not as bad as mono is saying. however, that could change if he goes on to have several seasons after this. then again, that could have been the same if it was Lee. as long as the Rangers win a WS in here somewhere, I'd say its definitely worth it.
Agreed..I could care less who got the big $, as long as the Rangers keep winning.
crofl
wish my Adrian Beltre troll wasn't banned
lol ing your pants over one game.
when the Rangers get curbstomped in the WS by Philly we'll see who was worth overpaying for.
Lol thinking rangers number one option was beltre and not lee
Dont worry your day will come if the Rangers do not win a WS le, until then STFU cause you sound dumber and dumber with each comment..
Just wondering where is was said that Beltre was the #1 option..
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who thinks that? The Rangers obviously made a push for Lee before looking at Beltre. They just made a ty, limp ed push, lost Lee, then panicked and threw way too much money at Beltre.
the more and more I look at it, I would still definitely say it is an acceptable tradeoff.
basically instead of getting an aging ace in Lee, they got 2 great bats and 2 great defensive players in Beltre and Napoli, while paying what I believe is actually less for both than they would have for Lee. and if they had gotten Lee, its highly unlikely they get either one of them.
along with that, it gave the Rangers a chance to develop their younger pitchers such as Ogando, Harrison, and Holland, something that may not have been able to happen for all 3 guys if Lee stayed. Obviously its paid off, as Ogando has developed his alternate pitches, giving him versatility to both be a starter, or a lockdown bullpen guy. Harrison and Holland both are looking like guys with great potential to possibly even be ace material, which is going to come in handy, because I'm wondering exactly how much CJ is going to demand in order to stay, and if its going to be worth keeping him, as opposed to replacing him with some younger guys who are actually more talented pitchers than him.
I cannot see the Rangers bringing back CJ with the lack of sp's in the market this coming offseason. In my opinion Feliz will be made a SP and will join a young staff of Holland, Harrison, Ogando, and Lewis. I also believe the Rangers will make a big splash with a 1b signing of either Puljos or Fielder since Young's contract comes off the backs after next season.
Jeez....this thread needs to die. Lee took less money to go to Philly...he wanted nothing to do with the AL...he wanted to go back to the Phillies. It had nothing to do with money...overpaying wouldn't have mattered...we took what we could get, and he just hit 3 HRs in a clinching playoff game. I'll take it.
Seriously, these two deals had no effect on each other. It's stupid that this has become a "either Beltre or Lee" argument
So you're saying if the Rangers offered a 7th year and got Cliff Lee, they'd also have gotten Beltre?
I know they pursued both at the same time, but I don't think they would have gotten both. At least at the contract terms that were neccesary to get each of them.
i still don't believe Lee would've signed with Texas even if offered a 7th year deal. He turned down a contender (Texas) who offered more money and years than another contender (Philly). Not to mention he turned down the Yanks, who actually did offer the 7 year deal he was looking for in Texas. Just sounds to me like he wanted to be in Philly no matter what.
If given the choice of Beltre, with his deal, or Lee with the 7 year deal, I'd agree to take Lee any day of the week. I just think Lee's a lying got who led the team on the whole time
How do you know he wouldn't have taken 7 years with Texas? It was never offered, which is my big problem.
As far as Philly goes, Lee didn't even go to them asking for their best offer until after Texas refused to offer a 7th year. I don't think he ever wanted to go to New York, but I think he seriously would have considered Texas if a 7th year was on the table. He wasn't in love with the idea of playing in Texas, but the security of a 7 year deal appeared to be enough to keep him in town. Texas knew they had to offer 7 years, and refused, and that's when Lee decided he'd be happier in Philly with less money.
Time to move on Mono..The Rangers are playing just as good if not better than last season when Lee was on the staff and the phillies are doing what teams who pay 170+ mil for a roster should do and that is have a chance to win a WS..
My whole point was that it wouldn't have mattered IMO. Lee was just talking out his ass.
Either way we both agree that overpaying for Lee is better than overpaying for Beltre which is all that matters
I agree with mono that offering Lee a 7th year woulda been the smart thing to do but it's hard to say what he woulda done. He wanted to be in Philly (he was in tears when Philly traded him for Halladay) and IMO would have reached out to them regardless.
I remember even listening to the radio, and there had been rumors from the get go that a 3rd team was in the mix making offers as well, but no one knew exactly who it was, just that it was a team Lee REALLY liked and wanted to be a part of. Philly was in the mix the entire time, they just went about it very quietly. He knew the entire time that he was going to sign with Philly. He was just using NY and Texas to milk out as big of a contract as he could with Philly.
Lee went 10-1 down the stretch this year and the one loss was 3-0. He only gave up 2 earned in 6 innings that game. That kind of run is Jered Weaver-like.
The 5-4 playoff game he lost to St L, after his 4th inning crack up i would have pulled him at the very 1st sign of trouble in the 5th. Like the double he gave up. Gone. Charlie Manuel is a proven dumb ass who choked away the 2009 World Series to the Skunkies and has blown plenty of other playoff games.
The 7 year contract given to Lee? Yeah that's whacked.
Rangers never had a shot at landing Lee. Their offer was better than the Phillies and he was just a little got who wanted to be in the NL.
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