Let's Take A Closer Look At MJ les

[Ashy Larry]

Facts to you I call BS....you've proved nothing in this thread except that your are good friends w Arnold and that you steal time from your employer...

damn right I steal from the employer ... I should get another 8 g's around tax time. And I think i proved enough in that thread. You stated there was no step aside fee. I showed you where there were two. Doesn't count. lol


All in good fun though .....

[BlackSwordsMan]

They're called house laker fans. They're around to appease us spur fans.

[BlackSwordsMan]

When Kool ad nausem posts how kobe's is bigger than Duncan's -- Venti will log on and say no keep the balance.

[Koolaid_Man]

damn right I steal from the employer ... I should get another 8 g's around tax time. And I think i proved enough in that thread. You stated there was no step aside fee. I showed you where there were two. Doesn't count. lol


All in good fun though .....

You ain't showed me you thieving mutha a..

s...I tell ya...

Even though imma put you in my two-timing bucket...you'll still get an invite to my MJ's ass is grass party once we rang 6th.

[Ashy Larry]

You ain't showed me you thieving mutha a..

s...I tell ya...

Even though imma put you in my two-timing bucket...you'll still get an invite to my MJ's ass is grass party once we rang 6th.

gotta rob from Mr. Charlie and Ms. Ann ...... whenever you can get over on Johnny Whiteboy, the world is a better place .......

[Giuseppe]

They're called house laker fans. They're around to appease us spur fans.

Bend over. I'll in' appease ya.

[mavs>spurs]

Yup. If you dont want that, then take the 33 a 19 year old Kobe dropped in MJ and Pippen. Its funny how you guys discredit what Kobe did to MJ during his late years, but glorify what MJ did to a worn out Magic.

kobe getting all hyped up against a pippen/mj who didn't take him seriously in A meaningless regular season game (1) doesn't mean

[Koolaid_Man]

MJ took everyone serious. And he was trying to win every game. Just look at how he almost killed himself playing against these old ass men.

here's mine:

[Killakobe81]

Agreed. Like Tex said, there would be blood if these two matched up in their primes. Kobe has had to do more than MJ did - against better compe ion - and still was arguably top dog in the league. By more I mean, he had to make sure Shaq was fed, as well as covering defensively for Fish (PGs ate him for breakfast, lunch and dinner), as well as drop 30+. MJ had Pippen to do that kind of dirty work. I'm not saying MJ was no slouch, but we're kidding ourselves if we think he had the same types of responsibilities Kobe has.

I still say that if Kobe were in the league back in '84ish, he would have duplicated if not built upon MJ's successes. Players that are more athletic right now can't check this dude and he going into his 16th year - which is unheard of. People talk about LBJ's defense. Well, like Pop did with Duncan against a premiere big, Mike Brown protected him by not letting him guard Kobe until like the 4th quarter or key possessions. Why? Because they both knew both their star players would foul out (Duncan against Shaq and LBJ against Kobe). No one and I mean no one could guard this dude one on one. They needed strongside zones and other gimmicks to deal with him.

Case in point: San Antonio has had one of the best defensive teams in league history for a long time. But they still had to go out and get Bruce Lee Bowen to deal with Kobe - despite their twin towers. Speaks to Kobe's greatness because the same concessions were not made for the "MDE".

81 was great, but if PJ left Kobe in the game when he outscored the Mavs 62-61 after 3 quarters, he would have ended up with about 90 that night. No joke. Kobe's a streaky shooter and he was ON that night. The funny part is Mavs were contenders that year and Kobe destroyed them.

This is not to you in particular, but it's ok to recognize Kobe's greatness and still love MJ - who's legend grows year by year.

agree with most of this. MJ IS better. But those that say he " s" on Kobe or they are not in the same conversation, are short-sighted. It may be a short conversation, but Kobe is at least in the same class. Mj is valedictorian though, kobe in the top 5% of that class.

and if Kobe got to play a series guarded by hornacek, russell and Stockton he destroys them too. Maybe not to the same level as MJ but destroy never the less especially when the paint is anchored by the likes of Greg foster.

[Killakobe81]

Tex Winter


Dude is senile

are you serious? The Yoda of the triangle, knows more ball than this whole forum combined, myself included.

[mavs>spurs]

agree with most of this. MJ IS better. But those that say he " s" on Kobe or they are not in the same conversation, are short-sighted. It may be a short conversation, but Kobe is at least in the same class. Mj is valedictorian though, kobe in the top 5% of that class.

and if Kobe got to play a series guarded by hornacek, russell and Stockton he destroys them too. Maybe not to the same level as MJ but destroy never the less especially when the paint is anchored by the likes of Greg foster.

yeah, because being defended by kerry kittles with Jason Collins as the anchor, aaron mckey with matt geiger as the anchor, and an old ass reggie miller/jalen rose with dale davis as the anchor is so much better! not to mention having shaq there to take the pressure off you. haha

actually now that i think about it, hornacek although undersized and russell are actually better perimeter defenders than any of those guys listed from the first 3 championships.

[lefty]

Coached both players. PJ's secret weapon and mastermind behind the triangle. HOFer.

He has cred. Neal with it.

And he was younger and less senile in Chicago


Or it's an ego thing; Tex is proud that young Kobe called him one day to seek advice.
Boosted his ego.....so now he slurps slurps Kobe

[Killakobe81]

yeah, because being defended by kerry kittles with Jason Collins as the anchor, aaron mckey with matt geiger as the anchor, and an old ass reggie miller/jalen rose with dale davis as the anchor is so much better! not to mention having shaq there to take the pressure off you. haha

Dont kid yourself. Kobe was guarded by Raja Bell and Mckie against Philly and Mutombo was anchoring the paint that year ... or was I imagining Shaq getting elbowed by Shaq in the Finals vs. Philly?

[mavs>spurs]

Dont kid yourself. Kobe was guarded by Raja Bell and Mckie against Philly and Mutombo was anchoring the paint that year ... or was I imagining Shaq getting elbowed by Shaq in the Finals vs. Philly?

Oh, you mean Bell's rookie season where he only played 5 games the entire year? fail and yes, mutumbo had his face so full of shaq elbow that he wasn't much of a factor on kobe, dude couldn't come over and leave shaq without getting powerbombed.

[mavs>spurs]

Bell was guarding kobe so hard in those 8 minutes per game off the bench in garbage time

[lefty]

Laker fans and their pathetic arguments

slurp slurp Kobe

[Killakobe81]

Bell was guarding kobe so hard in those 8 minutes per game off the bench in garbage time

Never said he just played heavy minutes BOTH those guys were good defenders. It's just like against Celts in 2008 Kobe was defended by Both allens and Pierce at times. I did not break down how many minutes they spent on him.

[mavs>spurs]

dude, bell was a rookie and not yet the defender he later became. and he barely, if ever, guarded kobe in his 8 minutes in garbage time while kobe was on the bench icing his knees. you're just being a got if you cite raja bell.

[Killakobe81]

dude, bell was a rookie and not yet the defender he later became. and he barely, if ever, guarded kobe in his 8 minutes in garbage time while kobe was on the bench icing his knees. you're just being a got if you cite raja bell.

That series was closer than many remember ...there was not a lot of garbage time. Game 1 went OT. Horry had to hit a clutch 3 to ice game 3 or 4 (IIRC).

Name calling and not knowing your will get you little credibilty on here, son. I could pull footage if you like ... But even if it was just 8 minutes for bell, Mckie was better defender than Hornacek. Bell was pobably not at his best, you are correct. But people dont become solid defenders over night.and that series is what sparked their "rivalry" (if you can call it that) which culminated with Bell mugging kobe and geting suspended in a playoff game. But whatever, YH you have no rep here so me arguing with you on ball is beneath me.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Youre beneath Killa. Get pissed on, got.

your beneath us all.

[Leetonidas]

lol narutoluva

[Stalin]

how would kobe play in the 80's and hold his own? there would be no jordan to copy

how would kobe>jordan? if kobe is just a tier version of jordan himself, i'm sure mike would have a real hard time with such a poser


hold his own against the pistons
40% in the finals
can't take the pressure

kobe jockey: "b..b..but mj never faced anyone better than 6'-3" honkie like jeff hornacek"

all time mj defenders

Grant Hill - Height 6'8"
Sean Elliott - Height 6'8"
Robert Reid - Height 6'8"
Jerry Reynolds - Height 6'8"
Walt Williams - Height 6'8"
Malik Sealy - Height 6'8"
Shawn Marion - Height 6'7"
Bruce Bowen - Height 6'7"
Lionel Simmons - Height 6'7"
Calbert Cheaney - Height 6'7"
Penny Hardaway - Height 6'7"
Bryon Russell - Height 6'7"
Clyde Drexler - Height 6'7"
Reggie Miller - Height 6'7"
Purvis Short - Height 6'7"
Tony Campbell - Height 6'7"
Dale Ellis - Height 6'7"
Steve Smith - Height 6'7"
Reggie Theus - Height 6'7"
Glen Rice - Height 6'7"
Alex English - Height 6'7"
Reggie Williams - Height 6'7"
Dominique Wilkins - Height 6'7"
Nick Anderson - Height 6'6"
Gerald Wilkins - Height 6'6"
Rolando Blackman - Height 6'6"
Stacey Augmon - Height 6'6"
Doug Christie - Height 6'6"
Craig Ehlo - Height 6'6''
Ron Harper - Height 6'6"
Chris Mullin - Height 6'6"
Jim Jackson - Height 6'6"
Kobe Bryant - Height 6'6"
Ron Artest - Height 6'6"
Paul Pierce - Height 6'6"
Michael Ray Richardson - Height 6'5"
Mario Ellie - Height 6'5"
Mitch Richmond - Height 6'5"
Michael Cooper - Height 6'5"
Kendall Gill - Height 6'5"
Kerry Kittles - Height 6'5"
Raja Bell - Height 6'5"
Mike Woodson - Height 6'5"
Gary Payton - Height 6'4"
Lester Conner - Height 6'4"
Dennis Johnson - Height 6'4"
Jeff Malone - Height 6'4"
Joe Dumars - Height 6'3"
John Starks - Height 6'3"
Jeff Hornacek - Height 6'3"