Favorite ass beating your team has delivered

[Giuseppe]

MJ is a cheat and a quitter.

With 6 rings.

& I don't grudge any man his onions, once they are reaped. MJ has 6 rings.

But, here, on these Boards we're gonna tell the whole story. Everyone's dirty laundry is going to be aired, be it Kobe Bryant, MJ, Steve Nash, Pippen, Rodman....quitters all.

& I'm going to continue to see to it.

Let us proceed...

[djohn2oo8]

MJ is a cheat and a quitter.



& I don't grudge any man his onions, once they are reaped. MJ has 6 rings.

But, here, on these Boards we're gonna tell the whole story. Everyone's dirty laundry is going to be aired, be it Kobe Bryant, MJ, Steve Nash, Pippen, Rodman....quitters all.

& I'm going to continue to see to it.

Let us proceed...

No evidence of Jordan quitting/cheating. There's a load of evidence of Kobe quitting/cheating, so don't bring it to this courtroom old man. You will not win.

[Giuseppe]

No evidence of Jordan quitting/cheating. There's a load of evidence of Kobe quitting/cheating, so don't bring it to this courtroom old man. You will not win.

Sneaking back at the end of the season to avoid the work is cheating & quitting. MJ did that. Only Daddy & Penny put a stop to it before he could benefit from his rotten deeds.

I got no problem admitting to Kobe quitting & cheating. I wear that stain in shame.

Let us proceed...

[djohn2oo8]

You could also pass for one of those French Polynesians. Lazy bas s...

lol 28 year old Pokemon fan.

[Killakobe81]

111-72, 111-82 after taking two in SA

101-71

And this http://articles.latimes.com/1986-04-..._1_san-antonio

Please. I know you just ing with spur fan, but the beatdowns we delivered on SA were nice, but just a blip on the radar ...

My fondest was an ass beating we put on the Sac Queens in the late 80's when we were up something like 42-14 after the 1st quarter. most dominant quarter of basketball i have ever seen ...

[Killakobe81]

Too bad Kobe was only able to do that in a regular season game, not a game that actually mattered, especially when his team needed him most, like in the 2011 playoffs... just sayin.



Don't like the best player in Laker franchise history? Interesting.



Didn't say being the #1 scoring option makes you a leader, but make no mistake, Kareem was every bit as big of a leader as Magic was. It was basically Shaq/Kobe, in that they were 1a and 1b, and both brought equally important things to the table.

However, Kareem proved something Magic didnt, that he could be the indisputed #1 of a championship team.

I understand what made Magic so great, but his greatness gets overrated at times by certain nostalgic fans. Maybe you should try bringing another argument to the table instead of just resorting to the "you're a narrow-minded stat-head!!!" even though I haven't listed a single stat in this conversation.

Kareem may have been the #1 option but was never the "leader" of ANY of his le teams. at least in the pros it was Oscar and Magic ...

[Giuseppe]

...Killa

[Killakobe81]

Let's be fair now.

Kareem and especially Magic never had to face defenses or defenders that the NBA employs today. Not even close. Not remotely. If they had to face modern defenses, those 50-60+ FG% seasons would significantly reduce. They would still be great, but to compare their consistency to Kobe's consistency is partly unfair due to the considerably superior defense the NBA plays these days.

When I think of consistently, I think of a guy who at times hits all the shots he should, and other times misses most all of the shots he should. I don't see that being a major issue with Kobe. From what I see, (1)is issue is that he gets hot at times and hits shots he shouldn't be taking, and then starts missing shots he shouldnt be taking. But generally, I don't see Kobe having a lot of nights where he is just missing open 18 footers or anything like that, shots that he should rarely miss. His issue stems more from incredibly poor shot selection, than from consistency, imo.

I don't disagree at all that Magic is a better natural floor leader than Kobe is, but Kobe is certainly capable of being a leader when need be, but his ability to put a team on his back and carry them, (2) is a quality that Magic doesn't come remotely close to having on par with Kobe. Magic's style might have worked great in the 80s when no one played defense and everyone was playing SSOL style basketball, but in today's NBA, I'll take Kobe's ability to put a team on his back, put the clamps on the opposing teams best wing player while simultaneously breaking down elite defenses.

Agree with the first part ... hubris (which I dont mind) and shot selection (which I do) are Kobe's greatest weakness. he can lead he can play-make but his ego/shot selection get in the way at times ...

As for Magic disagree that his would not work today. He is like a bigger version of Nash who can rebound and post up ...Not as good a shooter ...but he was a 90% FT shooter by the end of his career and can hit the open 3 with that push shot ...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kareem may have been the #1 option but was never the "leader" of ANY of his le teams. at least in the pros it was Oscar and Magic ...

So he wasn't the leader when he won MVP and finals MVP in the same season?

[Killakobe81]

Where did I downplay anything not shown in the boxscore?

Either way, half the I said was just to with you and your mancrush on Magic. However, I have a hard time believing a non-leader finds a way to win 6 MVPs.



As a Laker, yes, he's a greater Laker than Shaq, Kareem, and Magic. He accomplished basically the same things as Magic by being a 1a/1b for 3 les, then being the main guy for 2. He accomplished more than Shaq, obviously. And as great as Kareem was, again, he was 1a/1b and was not as great as he was when in Milwaukee.

He may not be a greater all-time player than Kareem, but every bit as great of a Laker as him and Magic. The only reason people say otherwise is again, the same reason 80s basketball and a lot of their players get overrated... nostalgia. Look at all the knobslobbing of Kobe we already have to see today. In 20 years from now, imagine the blowjobs he will be getting, much like Magic and Bird and others are getting these days.

and 80's basketball was THAT good.
By 1986-87 You had:
1. prime: Magic, Bird, Isiah, Nique, Worthy, Aguirre, English, Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, McHale All in their primes ...
2. Aging stars: Moses, Kareem, Dr.J, Moncrief, Walton
3. Ascending stars: MJ, Stockton, Olajawon, Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Barkley drexler

Look at all the HOF caliber talent "touched" that decade. Just look at the MJ/Ewing drafts ...those 2 draft classes added to the stars cements the 80's as the best decade of the past 4 ...

[DeadlyDynasty]

Please. I know you just ing with spur fan, but the beatdowns we delivered on SA were nice, but just a blip on the radar ...

My fondest was an ass beating we put on the Sac Queens in the late 80's when we were up something like 42-14 after the 1st quarter. most dominant quarter of basketball i have ever seen ...

Wasn't there a game in the 80's where LA had a 40-4 lead after the first? That may be the sacto game youre referring to, not sure tho.

[Killakobe81]

So he wasn't the leader when he won MVP and finals MVP in the same season?

Winning the MVP doesnt make you a "leader". Kareem was quiet on the court, type leader. And many thought he was an asshole. Kobe is the sameway. Fisher/Phil were the leaders of the last 2 le teams. Kobe was the best player and on court leader. BTW same for duncan POP Avery and Manu were the real Vocal/spiritual leader ...Tim is the best player happens. Same is true for Dirk USED to be the same way ...and he failed miserably. Chandler seemed to be the spiritual leader and SOME of it rubbed off on Dirk.

[Killakobe81]

Wasn't there a game in the 80's where LA had a 40-4 lead after the first? That may be the sacto game youre referring to, not sure tho.

Yes that's it was it 40-4? Damn it was worse than i thought ...

[Giuseppe]

[[[Winning the MVP doesnt make you a "leader". Kareem was quiet on the court, type leader. And many thought he was an asshole. Kobe is the sameway. Fisher/Phil were the leaders of the last 2 le teams.]]]

Killa is on tonite.

[baseline bum]

Wasn't there a game in the 80's where LA had a 40-4 lead after the first? That may be the sacto game youre referring to, not sure tho.

@ closing the refrigerator at the end of the first quarter

[DeadlyDynasty]

Props BB for the find

[baseline bum]

God, it's 24-0 so far as I'm watching.

[DeadlyDynasty]

God, it's 24-0 so far as I'm watching.

That magic pass to ac on the baseline was a thing of beauty.

Their first points came at the ft line

[baseline bum]

29-0 until Derek Smith hits two free throws with 2:54 left in the first quarter.

The Forum gives Sacramento a standing ovation on their first point!

0-18 from the field for the quarter

[DeadlyDynasty]

Hang Time's reggie theus in the house

[baseline bum]

Here's a video about that quarter from the 87 champions video

[DeadlyDynasty]

I like the cheesy 80's funk beat in that vid...new ringtone

[pass1st]

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/07/sp...a-quarter.html

Wonder if there is a video of it

[stretch]

1. I said today has more skilled defenders
2. I said 80s didn't have to have skilled defenders

You clearly had no response to what I said and fell back to the classic "lol you don't know , you are sucking <insert player>'s " rebuttal. Why don't you explain why there is such a high FT deficiency and how that would affect a player's FG%? If you miss a shot and the defender gets the whistle, does your missed shot count against you?

Why don't you use a little logic and learn how the game evolved. I never said one era was superior to the other. I never said Magic would thrive in this era. I simply pointed at differences.

If you want to fold, do so in a non-embarrassing fashion, kid.

do you even do your own research? in the 80's, the LOWEST league average on FTAs per game was 27.8. In this past decade, the HIGHEST league average was 26.3. so stats actually show that MORE FTs were awarded in the 80s. for the most part, there were 3-5 more FTs per game in the 80s. in addition, there were about 3-5 more fouls per game in the 80s compared to modern era as well.

if you are going to keep making the condescending "kid" remarks like you know what the you are talking about, try, um... KNOWING WHAT THE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, you stupid ing got. just because I don't wanna waste my time with an 80s loving sucker like yourself, doesn't mean I have no response. it means exactly what I said.. you are an 80s loving sucker and I don't wanna waste my time on a hardheaded dumbass like yourself.

you will probably next resort to the "higher pace" argument next, or more likely the "you don't know , because yer just a kid!!!!!!" type of bull . spare me the garbage, because this time, im really not going to waste the time exposing you again for the dumb you are.

[pass1st]

do you even do your own research? in the 80's, the LOWEST league average on FTAs per game was 27.8. In this past decade, the HIGHEST league average was 26.3. so stats actually show that MORE FTs were awarded in the 80s. for the most part, there were 3-5 more FTs per game in the 80s. in addition, there were about 3-5 more fouls per game in the 80s compared to modern era as well.

if you are going to keep making the condescending "kid" remarks like you know what the you are talking about, try, um... KNOWING WHAT THE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, you stupid ing got. just because I don't wanna waste my time with an 80s loving sucker like yourself, doesn't mean I have no response. it means exactly what I said.. you are an 80s loving sucker and I don't wanna waste my time on a hardheaded dumbass like yourself.

you will probably next resort to the "higher pace" argument next, or more likely the "you don't know , because yer just a kid!!!!!!" type of bull . spare me the garbage, because this time, im really not going to waste the time exposing you again for the dumb you are.

Look at Kareem's and Magic's FTA vs Kobe and come back, kid. Don't just pick 'n choose stats. I'll even do the H/W for you:

Kareem, 20 seasons, 9304 FTA
Magic, 13 seasons, 5850 FTA
Kobe, 15 seasons, 8301 FTA

Please, explain the discrepancy.

Why are you getting so uppity? Is it because I said kid? You see how a simple little word can strike a nerve? You tried hard, bagging Magic and trying to downplay an entire era to try and get some reaction out of me. All I had to do was say 1 word. Want to know something else? 2000s is my favorite era, Magic is just my favorite player.

Let me guess your retort "I'm not acting 'uppity'" or "I'm just ing around"? How do you want to downplay this, squirt?