energy harvesters transform waste heat into electricity

[LnGrrrR]

Ever think about becoming a journalist?

Spin... spin... spin...

When's the last time you checked your integrity?

WC, you've openly admitted your biased against liberals, so I'm not sure you should rail on me about "integrity". If you thought that we would only be in Iraq a few years and it would be easy, then you trusted the government. If you knew they were wrong, and knew it was going to last ten years but thought it was worth it, then you supported a government that was either a) stupid or b) lying. Take your pick which of those three options you prefer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Only in your biased mind.

I agreed with the action over their, that does not mean I trust politicians, even when they agree with me. I don't get let down by them because I know better than to expect them to do the right thing all the time. For you to twist that, is your own problem. Not mine.

Thats not a very good chain of events.

They wanted to send men off to war, you didn't trust them and you went along with the idea anyway? We really did not need much more proof that you have no business with anything resembling responsibility.

They sure did Colin Powell good on that one too. He would be the GOP golden boy right now if the Bush Administration had not made him look the fool. Whoops!

[Drachen]

HyperSolar Discovers Method to Make Renewable Natural Gas Using Solar Power

HyperSolar, Inc., the developer of a breakthrough technology to make renewable natural gas using solar power, today announced that it has filed a patent application for the production of renewable natural gas using sunlight, water and carbon dioxide. This renewable natural gas is a clean, carbon neutral methane gas that can be used as a direct replacement for traditional natural gas to power the world, without drilling or fracking, while mitigating CO2 emissions.

Using advanced nanotechnology, HyperSolar intends to eliminate the harmful aspects of extracting natural gas and preserve its existing delivery infrastructure and economy by fundamentally changing the source of natural gas from underground to above ground. The company intends to do this by creating natural gas above ground using sunlight, water and carbon dioxide, in a renewable and sustainable manner.

http://www.altenergymag.com/news/201...ar-power/22158

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See, I said nanotech was the key to some real (solar) energy breakthroughs. One or a couple of these breakthroughs will be tranformative.

Weakness? Water is an input, and probably a very pure if not distilled water, so there is energy consumed purifying the water. We have/can capture Ms of tons of polluting green house gas CO2.

this is the cool thing about this company called Joule Unlimited. They have created a type of algae which combined with water, sunlight and Carbon can be made to produce diesel, (and with different strains) heating oil, jet fuel, etc. They have made it in the lab, they are building a mini plant here in Texas to prove that it can scale up. The greatest part of this is that they can use brackish water, waste water, etc to make it. We've got TONS of brackish water and even if we didn't they could put a natural gas plant next to a desalination plant, next to one of these "farms". The Natural gas plant could produce power to for a city (and the desalination plant), then the carbon from the Ngas plant and the brackish water from the desalination process could feed the Joule Unlimited plant to make diesel.

Check it, Yo!
http://www.jouleunlimited.com/video/story.html

[FuzzyLumpkins]

this is the cool thing about this company called Joule Unlimited. They have created a type of algae which combined with water, sunlight and Carbon can be made to produce diesel, (and with different strains) heating oil, jet fuel, etc. They have made it in the lab, they are building a mini plant here in Texas to prove that it can scale up. The greatest part of this is that they can use brackish water, waste water, etc to make it. We've got TONS of brackish water and even if we didn't they could put a natural gas plant next to a desalination plant, next to one of these "farms". The Natural gas plant could produce power to for a city (and the desalination plant), then the carbon from the Ngas plant and the brackish water from the desalination process could feed the Joule Unlimited plant to make diesel.

Check it, Yo!
http://www.jouleunlimited.com/video/story.html

Thi is going to be fun if its not controlled, its allowed to get out and is able to reproduce easily.

[Wild Cobra]

WC, you've openly admitted your biased against liberals, so I'm not sure you should rail on me about "integrity". If you thought that we would only be in Iraq a few years and it would be easy, then you trusted the government. If you knew they were wrong, and knew it was going to last ten years but thought it was worth it, then you supported a government that was either a) stupid or b) lying. Take your pick which of those three options you prefer.

Hey there Mr. Spin...

I didn't say they were wrong.

[LnGrrrR]

Hey there Mr. Spin...

I didn't say they were wrong.

Well, it's pretty obvious they were. Has the war paid for itself? No. Were we out in a matter of a few years? No.

So, did you know they were lying at the time but figured it needed to be done anyways? Or did you trust them about the above statements?

[Wild Cobra]

Well, it's pretty obvious they were. Has the war paid for itself? No. Were we out in a matter of a few years? No.

So, did you know they were lying at the time but figured it needed to be done anyways? Or did you trust them about the above statements?

OK, Yes, you can find something they were wrong about that. My mistake for jumping to the conclusion thinking you meant the thinks you always talk about, other than the real examples.

[LnGrrrR]

OK, Yes, you can find something they were wrong about that. My mistake for jumping to the conclusions you always talk about other than the real examples.

So, given that they were wrong, did you trust the government when they said those things? Or did you think/know they were wrong/lying?

[Wild Cobra]

So, given that they were wrong, did you trust the government when they said those things? Or did you think/know they were wrong/lying?

My God, how many times over the last few years have we been over this?

I agree with the actions taken against Saddam and his government. Refer to past threads.

[LnGrrrR]

My God, how many times over the last few years have we been over this?

I agree with the actions taken against Saddam and his government. Refer to past threads.

Did you or did you not believe the government when they said a) the oil itself would pay for the war and b) the war would be over in a matter of a few years? Simple question, really.

[Wild Cobra]

Did you or did you not believe the government when they said a) the oil itself would pay for the war and b) the war would be over in a matter of a few years? Simple question, really.

No, I was skeptical about that. I will ignore any farther sissy fits by you in this thread. If you wish to continue about the war, bring back a past thread or create a new one. We have contaminated this thread enough.

[LnGrrrR]

No, I was skeptical about that. I will ignore any farther sissy fits by you in this thread. If you wish to continue about the war, bring back a past thread or create a new one. We have contaminated this thread enough.

Sissy fits? You're the one calling me out; I'm asking rather simple questions that you keep trying to avoid.

Funny that you supported a government action by people who stated things that you didn't trust.

[Wild Cobra]

Sissy fits? You're the one calling me out; I'm asking rather simple questions that you keep trying to avoid.

Funny that you supported a government action by people who stated things that you didn't trust.

I will ignore any farther sissy fits by you in this thread. If you wish to continue about the war, bring back a past thread or create a new one. We have contaminated this thread enough.

[DMC]

My problem with taxpayer funding of this kind of research is that, once it's developed, it's patented by some private en y who charges the out of the taxpayer to use it. So the private en y gets free R&D.

[Wild Cobra]

My problem with taxpayer funding of this kind of research is that, once it's developed, it's patented by some private en y who charges the out of the taxpayer to use it. So the private en y gets free R&D.

I think we have some common ground in that aspect.

I believe that if tax payer dollars are used for research, then that research should have no patent holder, and is allowed to be used as public access.

Maybe we need to have such a legal distinction made. It would make corporations less willing to accept government money, wouldn't it.

[DMC]

I think we have some common ground in that aspect.

I believe that if tax payer dollars are used for research, then that research should have no patent holder, and is allowed to be used as public access.

Maybe we need to have such a legal distinction made. It would make corporations less willing to accept government money, wouldn't it.

It might, but someone would just say "nope, we didn't find anything" as their spinoff corporation in Taiwan unveils their latest invention.,

[boutons_deux]

One solution to our current mess is that research and production and commercialization should be separated, rather than integrated.

eg, for drugs (assuming that ever works better than placebo or nothing or diet+exercise), a research group comes up with a product, the govt reviews it thoroughly before deciding to pay for (very expensive) clinical/field trials.

If the product works, then the govt pays the research group a fee of perhaps several $Bs (could be spread of a few years), and the govt owns the patent. The research group would not get any other compensation (eg, from licensing fees).

The govt then compe ively sub-contracts the production (much like BigPharma does now) with contractual, audited limits on the producers' profit margins.

Sellers would buy the product FOB the factory, with the govt setting the price to provide the contractual margin to the producer.