The Fisher Deal Was A Sweet Cake Deal For Buss and Kobe

[Giuseppe]

Assuming that it does in fact rigidly level the playing field, in 6 years they'll have seen enough

That's definitely enough time for a legit sample.

[Dunc n Dave]

I just don't see the NBA lasting like that. Imagine the Bobcats, Bucks, Jazz, Hawks, Grizzlies, and other small markets playing each other in the finals every other year. The NBA ratings would tank and we'd soon be watching games on Versus like the NHL.

Maybe the Finals ratings will drop from year to year, but overall playoff and regular season ratings won't suffer. See 2007 for example. Everyone points out the Cavs-Spurs Finals being one fo the lowest rated Finals, but plenty of people tuned in for the Suns-Spurs matchup that year and the Dallas-Golden State debacle. The Lakers were 1st round fodder, Boston wasn't in the playoffs, and the Conference Finals had Detroit, Cleveland, Utah, and San Antonio, yet the league didn't go belly up, did they?

The league can always find a story line to play off with the small market teams that will peak the public's interest.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Maybe the Finals ratings will drop from year to year, but overall playoff and regular season ratings won't suffer. See 2007 for example. Everyone points out the Cavs-Spurs Finals being one fo the lowest rated Finals, but plenty of people tuned in for the Suns-Spurs matchup that year and the Dallas-Golden State debacle. The Lakers were 1st round fodder, Boston wasn't in the playoffs, and the Conference Finals had Detroit, Cleveland, Utah, and San Antonio, yet the league didn't go belly up, did they?

The league can always find a story line to play off with the small market teams that will peak the public's interest.

That was one year. Try having that 6-10 years in a row.

[Dunc n Dave]

I think a restructuring by Kobe is possible but definitely not "probable" ... he knows he is worth A LOT more to the Lakers than his back loaded contract ...can't say I blame him.

But if Dwight wants to leave not much Magic can do and yes Bynum and Odom to the Magic is a no brainer you can get a good 6th man with a MLE ....

the real question is how much in lux tax can Kobe, the local media and the Laker faithful place pressure on Buss to to go over that threshold? As a fan i would ask that he do it now and go with a young "value" team later ....but not my money and he has spent to bag two les ...

Killa, Bynum and Odom make a total of $24 million in slary in 2012-2013. The Lakers would have to take back that much OR MORE from Orlando, putting them at $73 million ($70 million luxury tax threshold) with only Kobe ($30 mill), Gasol ($19 mill), Howard, and 1-2 other players from the Magic to equal the $24 mill they send to Orlando.

You have 5 players and are already paying luxury tax. How do you build a roster of 12 without Buss paying $100 million OR MORE in luxury tax penalties? You really think Buss will pay over $200 million to keep a $100 million roster together? I seriously doubt it.... He's rich, but not STUPID.

[Dunc n Dave]

That was one year. Try having that 6-10 years in a row.

Please, the sky must be falling in L.A. It wouldn't happen 6 years in a row and you know it. A big market team would win the lotto and draft the next great big man and be right back in the thick of things. Parity doesn't mean the small market teams win every year.

[DeadlyDynasty]

No, I don't know, and neither do you. This is unchartered territory and we're both just speculating.

I can't see it lasting unless--as ElNono said--loopholes are found. Just my opinion

[Giuseppe]

You really think Buss will pay over $200 million to keep a $100 million roster together? I seriously doubt it.... He's rich, but not STUPID.

Buss saw the light and got the 2 year grace period. He'll give up the ghost and join the owners as a member in good standing. He'll be one of them. Leaving "us" fans naked and without options other than to huddle with the other losers & paycheck-to-paycheck tribe.

[ElNono]

The Lakers were 1st round fodder, Boston wasn't in the playoffs, and the Conference Finals had Detroit, Cleveland, Utah, and San Antonio, yet the league didn't go belly up, did they?

No, but they probably didn't make as much money.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Buss saw the light and got the 2 year grace period. He'll give up the ghost and join the owners as a member in good standing. He'll be one of them. Leaving "us" fans naked and without options other than to huddle with the other losers & paycheck-to-paycheck tribe.

...for the next 6 years, then those commie bas s will see the light.

[Giuseppe]

...after six years ElNono naked will look mighty fine.

[ElNono]

...after six years ElNono naked will look mighty fine.

No means no, Culbert.

[Koolaid_Man]

It's amazing how Laker fans think this is a good deal for them, this new CBA is awful for teams over the tax.

no one said it was a good deal...all we're saying is given the cir stance we'll make make Lemonade with the Lemons we're given...better yet we'll load our Koolaid with sugar...

[Giuseppe]

No means no, Culbert.

- "Sometimes no means yes."

- DoK "The CBA Guru"

[Killakobe81]

I dont think it's a good deal ...but with a level playing field it makes market (weather, endoresements opps) even MORE valuable. A smal market COULD overspend to compete now they can't either. Once the bad deals from the last CBA expire ...NY,LA, MIA DAL CHI will be MORE attractive not less ...they cant stack squads but they wil get all the superstars once the rookie deals (which are limited) expire. Not overpaying to get the RJ's of the world will be more important.

[Killakobe81]

Foreign scouting become critical as well and the spurs excell in that area ...

[Koolaid_Man]

Please, the sky must be falling in L.A. It wouldn't happen 6 years in a row and you know it. A big market team would win the lotto and draft the next great big man and be right back in the thick of things. Parity doesn't mean the small market teams win every year.

Spur fan having a major meltdown...no extra penalties for LA until Kobe's last contract year...before then we'll spend like druken sailors...we'll figure it out...and Buss will pay that little extra...But if Kobe rangs this season then Buss will start rebuilding in 2013.

Deal with it Spur fan..The Lakers have 2 more years to get their together before the punitive hit...The Spurs are thanksgiving turkey still making it's way through the guts to be ted out.

[Dunc n Dave]

I dont think it's a good deal ...but with a level playing field it makes market (weather, endoresements opps) even MORE valuable. A smal market COULD overspend to compete now they can't either. Once the bad deals from the last CBA expire ...NY,LA, MIA DAL CHI will be MORE attractive not less ...they cant stack squads but they wil get all the superstars once the rookie deals (which are limited) expire. Not overpaying to get the RJ's of the world will be more important.

But they won't be able to get all the superstars without dumping their entire roster every 3-4 years. There will be no way (without paying $$$ out the ass, that is) to keep a team of 3-4 star players (or All Star caliber, anyway) together for more than 3 years and still add role players. They will have to dump 1 star to get a younger star. They won't be able to add role players like they have in the past.

A Matt Barnes is not gonna take $2 million a year less to play for a big market team becuase of potential endorsement deals. Who's gonna hire Matt Barnes to endorse their product when they can get Kobe or Gasol?

Will that line of thinking work for a star player? Yes, but not a role player, which is what the big spenders won't be able to afford anymore, since that $3million a yaer "mini mid-level exception" deal will actually cost a team like the Lakers over $10 million a year after luxury tax penalties of $3.5 for every $1 spent.

And don't forget sign and trades for those "star rookie deal guys" won't be allowed for teams who are over the tax threshold. So there goes that theory...

[Dunc n Dave]

Spur fan having a major meltdown...no extra penalties for LA until Kobe's last contract year...before then we'll spend like druken sailors...we'll figure it out...and Buss will pay that little extra...But if Kobe rangs this season then Buss will start rebuilding in 2013.

Deal with it Spur fan..The Lakers have 2 more years to get their together before the punitive hit...The Spurs are thanksgiving turkey still making it's way through the guts to be ted out.

Buss will figure it out? lol How's he gonna figure his way outta over $100 million in luxury taxes PER YEAR?

In the meantime, guess who will be $14 million under the cap next summer when everyone is starting to scramble to shed players and get under the cap? The Spurs...

And guess who could be $21 million under the cap in the summer of 2013 when the REAL PENALTIES kick in and everyone has to get under the threshold or pay STIFF penalties? That's right, the Spurs....

damn, Buss and the Lakers have all that money to spend, but still get outsmarted again by Holt and po-dunk san Antonio. Stings don't it? Have fun PRAYING Buss can "figure it out." The Spurs already have it figured out and will keep a winning product on the floor for years to come. As for the Lake Show? We'll see...

[Killakobe81]

But they won't be able to get all the superstars without dumping their entire roster every 3-4 years. There will be no way (without paying $$$ out the ass, that is) to keep a team of 3-4 star players (or All Star caliber, anyway) together for more than 3 years and still add role players. They will have to dump 1 star to get a younger star. They won't be able to add role players like they have in the past.

A Matt Barnes is not gonna take $2 million a year less to play for a big market team becuase of potential endorsement deals. Who's gonna hire Matt Barnes to endorse their product when they can get Kobe or Gasol?

Will that line of thinking work for a star player? Yes, but not a role player, which is what the big spenders won't be able to afford anymore, since that $3million a yaer "mini mid-level exception" deal will actually cost a team like the Lakers over $10 million a year after luxury tax penalties of $3.5 for every $1 spent.

And don't forget sign and trades for those "star rookie deal guys" won't be allowed for teams who are over the tax threshold. So there goes that theory...

You either misunderstand my post or we have a different definition of superstar.

Superstar = Dwight, Lebron, kobe, rose, Blake, Dwayne, Durant, Melo

Kobe, Dwayne, Melo, Blake Rose and Lebron ALRREADY play in a big market. sure teams will not be able to superfriend but two stars will still be able to team up.

I dont know if you are using my post to respond to the masses but the deal does suck for Lakers Mavs ....BUT like i said with a level playing field markets dictate stars will seek big markets .... stars will STILL seek out those markets.

20 million in NY is better than 20 million in cleveland still.

2000 Lakers were a perfect example: Shaq was the superstar the Lakers were the big market team and the lakers folowed up that star seeking huge market with a smart trade for Kobe. Then they utilized smart role players (horry, fox Fish) and were perfect fits.

The mavs/Lakers of the past 3 years will no longer exist ...

[Giuseppe]

damn, Buss and the Lakers have all that money to spend, but still get outsmarted again by Holt and po-dunk san Antonio.

Though somehow we managed to stuff the bag Duncan under Kobe 5-4.

[DMC]

Spur fan having a major meltdown...no extra penalties for LA until Kobe's last contract year...before then we'll spend like druken sailors...we'll figure it out...and Buss will pay that little extra...But if Kobe rangs this season then Buss will start rebuilding in 2013.

Deal with it Spur fan..The Lakers have 2 more years to get their together before the punitive hit...The Spurs are thanksgiving turkey still making it's way through the guts to be ted out.

By the middle of this season, you will have buried this prediction under so many "please notice me" threads that it will take a GPS to find it.

[Killakobe81]

First you need the superstar whether small market or not. Without one only Detroit has won a le the past what 30 years?

Once you get one you need smart moves like the spurs and Lakers (3 peat) did ... with new CBA ... you cant win like Mavs and Lakers of the past 3 years.

With no Duncan Spurs are ed new CBA or not ...

[Giuseppe]

with new CBA ... you cant win like Mavs and Lakers of the past 3 years.

Killa

[Dunc n Dave]

You either misunderstand my post or we have a different definition of superstar.

Superstar = Dwight, Lebron, kobe, rose, Blake, Dwayne, Durant, Melo

Kobe, Dwayne, Melo, Blake Rose and Lebron ALRREADY play in a big market. sure teams will not be able to superfriend but two stars will still be able to team up.

I dont know if you are using my post to respond to the masses but the deal does suck for Lakers Mavs ....BUT like i said with a level playing field markets dictate stars will seek big markets .... stars will STILL seek out those markets.

20 million in NY is better than 20 million in cleveland still.

2000 Lakers were a perfect example: Shaq was the superstar the Lakers were the big market team and the lakers folowed up that star seeking huge market with a smart trade for Kobe. Then they utilized smart role players (horry, fox Fish) and were perfect fits.

The mavs/Lakers of the past 3 years will no longer exist ...

I get what you are saying, but getting those stars to the big market teams will be more difficult to pull off unless said teams gut their roster every few years.

A sign & trade for a free agent will no longer be an option for a team paying the luxury tax. They have to be signed OUTRIGHT as free agents to contracts LOWER and SHORTER than what the star player could get from their original team. To get those stars, a big market team will have to plan ahead and sign role players to shorter contracts to coincide with the year their "target free agent's" contract is up. Easier said than done, especially when the fan base in those markets is spoiled and wants a "win now" mentality from its team.

[Nathan89]

with new CBA ... you cant win like Mavs and Lakers of the past 3 years.

I hope you're right.