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    find where I said that...and only then will I acknowledgment it... Barnes is tough and good player to have on the bench...His injury slowed him...Blake was a failure and I said that often and early...I'd even trade him for Jeffereson that's how much I despise him.
    From Koolaid's under the skirt sources I hear the priority now is unleashing Sasha so they can obtain Raja if he won't accept the 1.8 of the MLE that's left.

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    Blake + Bell and our bench is sick...
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    Mark my words we fall it won't be at the hands of the Suns...Gasol and Odom won't let it happen...and as for Nash...he'll have to deal with Blake now...
    Nash deal with Blake
    Blake making a sick bench

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    no doubt it's gonna happen it may be happening ...just saying I dont think his decline is in "steep" mode like say Duncan (no trolling just using an example) ... same with Manu he has lost a step, but his decline not as steep as Timmy's either ...
    Sure. They're smart players and jump shooters do better. But defensively and especially during back to back games, you can tell.

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    How can you use metrics like PER for Kobe's defense and not Tim's? If you say Tim is steep, then by that measure so is Kobe's by advanced metrics.
    I did not ONLY use metrics, DPG. I also said athletically he lost a step. and I am assuming that 3 straight Finals runs wore Kobe down. If we facing elimination in the 2nd round and kobe can not dig down for a vintage performance then i will co-sign that decline is in full effect.

    Duncan is in steep decline because he could not come through when facing defeat in 3 STRAIGHT playoffs, maybe even 4 ...

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    Tim posted a 22 PER compared to career avg of 25. How is that steep? That was good for 15th in the league.

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    Blake has got to go and rat now be don't have no more time for on the job training.
    Show me someone that is legitimately available & decidedly better and I'll sign on. Davis ain't it.

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    Duncan is in steep decline because he could not come through when facing defeat in 3 STRAIGHT playoffs
    Ouch. Said out loud like that it's harsh, but, true.

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    Tim posted a 22 PER compared to career avg of 25. How is that steep?
    Read the above ...

    Great players like Tim/kobe have done so many times (come through with a big performance) in tied, elimination or close out games in a playoff series. Kobe did that last year vs. the Mavs (failed to come through)

    Duncan is going on 3 straight years of failing to do so ...

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    I did not ONLY use metrics, DPG. I also said athletically he lost a step. and I am assuming that 3 straight Finals runs wore Kobe down. If we facing elimination in the 2nd round and kobe can not dig down for a vintage performance then i will co-sign that decline is in full effect.

    Duncan is in steep decline because he could not come through when facing defeat in 3 STRAIGHT playoffs, maybe even 4 ...
    That doesn't make sense. Is Howard in decline? He could not come through when facing defeat his whole career. You have to look at teams. Kobe has a super stacked team.

    Fact of the matter is, you buying into Kool/Seppe's stupid trolling is silly. You're better than them.

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    The problem for Timmy is that he can't excel on what the team needed most, which is anchoring the paint. The fact he had close to no help (Dice in his last legs was the only help) was also a factor.

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    Show me someone that is legitimately available & decidedly better and I'll sign on. Davis ain't it.
    Davis is a better leader floor general than Blake, has proven he can play in LA, is bigger, stronger, a better defender, can keep defenses honest by hitting his shots, can penetrate the lane and most importantly knows Kobe...


    All of which Blake simply cannot do. Sorry Cully but Blake is pure chicken in my humble opinion

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    Why is everyone writing off Fisher? I thought he was coming back?

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    Fact of the matter is, you buying into Kool/Seppe's stupid trolling is silly. You're better than them.
    Don't be damning Killa with faint praise.

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    Why is everyone writing off Fisher? I thought he was coming back?
    They're writing off Blake.

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    That doesn't make sense. Is Howard in decline? He could not come through when facing defeat his whole career. You have to look at teams. Kobe has a super stacked team.

    Fact of the matter is, you buying into Kool/Seppe's stupid trolling is silly. You're better than them.
    Huh? Im not saying he has to win. Im just saying when facing eliminatipn or a series tied at 2-2 or 3-3 ...when is the LAST time duncan has come through with a big game?

    Dwight has not won a tring but in the past 3 seasons Im pretty sure I can find a 15 and 15 with multiple blocks in one of those situations. this is NOT a troll job. Maybe tim has one but not one that I can remember.

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    Davis is a better leader floor general than Blake, has proven he can play in LA, is bigger, stronger, a better defender, can keep defenses honest by hitting his shots, can penetrate the lane and most importantly knows Kobe...


    All of which Blake simply cannot do. Sorry Cully but Blake is pure chicken in my humble opinion
    Wouldn't count on that part. But it's something for you to research in your last days on ST.

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    Davis is a better leader floor general than Blake, has proven he can play in LA, is bigger, stronger, a better defender, can keep defenses honest by hitting his shots, can penetrate the lane and most importantly knows Kobe...
    But, he's a proven loser, and has never been anything else.

    Blake may well be as well, but, I'd have to see it this year to confirm it.

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    They're writing off Blake.
    Yeah, but he only played a few minutes. Kool here talks like BDiddy will be the new starter.

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    ANd DPG, you can argue the Grizz were better despite their record because they won the series, but it's not liked the Grizz were stacked and the Spurs devoid of talent.

    I dont recall a vintage Tim game in that series ...in fact it was Manu who I recall playing with giant balls as the series was slipping away ...

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    Yeah, but he only played a few minutes. Kool here talks like BDiddy will be the new starter.
    Wouldn't be out of the realm. I don't think Fisher cares if he starts or not.

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    Huh? Im not saying he has to win. Im just saying when facing eliminatipn or a series tied at 2-2 or 3-3 ...when is the LAST time duncan has come through with a big game?

    Dwight has not won a tring but in the past 3 seasons Im pretty sure I can find a 15 and 15 with multiple blocks in one of those situations. this is NOT a troll job. Maybe tim has one but not one that I can remember.
    Kobe in elimination games isn't pretty. At all. Just because he has a stacked team that gives him multiple opps, doesn't mean that way of measuring people makes a lot of sense.

    I'm not arguing that Tim has not declined. I'm just arguing your method of propping your guys up to knock others. Tim has declined and from where his height was, it is steep. But that decline is still better than a whole lot of people.

    That has no bearing though on this and Kobe's decline. It is happening and the point was that he will have to be ready to do whats right; go into the post more.

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    Huh? Im not saying he has to win. Im just saying when facing eliminatipn or a series tied at 2-2 or 3-3 ...when is the LAST time duncan has come through with a big game?
    He came through against the Mavs the season before last one... He had a great game 6 to close the series... He actually had a couple good games that series...

    But as i said earlier... time only makes The Decline worse, not better. I'll be happy to watch his farewell tour though.

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    Kobe in elimination games isn't pretty. At all. Just because he has a stacked team that gives him multiple opps, doesn't mean that way of measuring people makes a lot of sense.

    I'm not arguing that Tim has not declined. I'm just arguing your method of propping your guys up to knock others. Tim has declined and from where his height was, it is steep. But that decline is still better than a whole lot of people.

    That has no bearing though on this and Kobe's decline. It is happening and the point was that he will have to be ready to do whats right; go into the post more.

    Ass Deepy...get the out of my thread please

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    ANd DPG, you can argue the Grizz were better despite their record because they won the series, but it's not liked the Grizz were stacked and the Spurs devoid of talent.

    I dont recall a vintage Tim game in that series ...in fact it was Manu who I recall playing with giant balls as the series was slipping away ...
    tbh, the MIA players against the Griz were Parker in the first couple of games, and face RJ for the duration... along the usual suspect in Bonner.

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    Wouldn't be out of the realm. I don't think Fisher cares if he starts or not.
    I suspect he want some minutes though... I'm not completely privy to the retirement package he negotiated with Stern.

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