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    selbstverständlich Agloco's Avatar
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    I am thinking about starting a business. i want to start an upscale coffee shop. However I haven't lived in San Antonio for a few years. What is the market like in San Antonio with small biz coffee shops?

    I also have a friend who wants me to partner with him on a bar. We are picturing a small size bar with a live band, and we are willing to pay more for location. He wants to go downtown austin. He'll be out of the army while i am finishing my contract and pretty much being a silent partner until I move back to Texas.

    So coffee shop or bar with a partner?
    Coffee: downtown with the downtown crowd and tourists or Around Broadway with yuppies, college students and people driving town?

    Bar: Austin or San Antonio?

    Austin: 6th street, downtown or Round Rock?

    Any advice would be great.


    Things that should work in SA just don't for some inexplicable reason.

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    and don't put your in the pickle slicer

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    Things that should work in SA just don't for some inexplicable reason.
    Area is too spread out, too many s tbh.

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    and don't put your in the pickle slicer
    You were doing ok. Don't it up.

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    I want to sell a more European style coffee and cappoccino that focuses on the true coffee flavor as opposed to the american flavoring of everything. also i refuse to ever call a small a tall, medium:grande, and large:venti.
    Make sure you have first rate pastries then. Make them very unique as well. They can make or break you.

    Oh, and make room for me to light up a pipe if I so choose.

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    Oh, and make room for me to light up a pipe if I so choose.
    Wow, you were literally the last person here I'd be expecting to go Pookie on us


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    Do some SWOT analysis and make sure you have a good mission statement and then develop a business plan. Read Art of War and then break down your portfolio into categories of: dogs, stars, question marks, and cash cows. Try to find the point where MR = ...MC??? and use that info to create synergy.
    The mission statement is part of a business plan. TBH, though I don't care for mission statement. I've done a few for different classes and seems like a waste of time. Just a bunch of bull .

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    that is interesting. but a combo gay coffee shop / bar could be just the ticket.
    I'm sure it would be. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

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    I'm sure it would be. You'd like that, wouldn't you?
    well, I don't drink coffee...

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    The mission statement is part of a business plan. TBH, though I don't care for mission statement. I've done a few for different classes and seems like a waste of time. Just a bunch of bull .
    if you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there

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    ^sup marketing major
    my first thought when he was talking about SWOT analysis and mission statements

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    And honestly the food industry is a . You have to worry about all kinds of

    employees stealing from you
    limited ability of monitoring your inventory
    re ed customers who will do like sue you for not putting a warning: hot label on the coffee cup

    just to name a few. With that said, as someone who plans on starting his own business 5-10 years from now, I respect anyone who has the balls to do it. Good luck.

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    And honestly the food industry is a . You have to worry about all kinds of

    employees stealing from you
    limited ability of monitoring your inventory
    re ed customers who will do like sue you for not putting a warning: hot label on the coffee cup

    just to name a few. With that said, as someone who plans on starting his own business 5-10 years from now, I respect anyone who has the balls to do it. Good luck.
    The lady got 3rd degree burns over a large area of her lower body. She almost died and took two years in recovery.

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    Yeah um its still her fault for not knowing that coffee is hot.

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    Almost didn't reply but I figured it would be the right thing to do.

    I also at one point was looking to start a bar/ restaurant but I could not raise the capitol and refused to take a loan from the bank.

    Her are a few things to remember.

    Whether its a bar or coffee shop put that right next to a Starbucks. They have done far more research than you or I could ever hope to do and they are well know to be the best at it.

    Austin has a ton of bars which tells you two things... there is a market for it and its over saturated. Why would I or anyone else choose your bar over someone else's?

    Another is if you have a bar downtown Austin make sure that it is long and narrow. That way it looks busy even if it isn't. Also, downtown Austin ksnt worth the rent. No ing way not even close. North Austin near mopac and I believe highway 41? Is booming. Its been a while since I lived there but its that highway that's a tollroad north of duval.

    Coffee shops are hard and unless you have spent the time to know ow to properly make the drinks don't waste your time. There are a ton of easy ways to up coffee. Also if you do go that route, stick it in a very visible place next to Starbucks. If a customer sees Starbucks then a locally owned joint right next door where do you think they are going to go? I have a buddy in north carolina who has made a killing doing just that but he also spent years learning how to make proper coffee drinks.

    Good luck

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    Here's my .02

    People are going to buy coffee from Starsucks, McDonalds, Duncan Donuts, and all the big corporations regardless of whether your coffee tastes better, which it probably will since all their coffee sucks.

    Try to entice the buyer with something different. How about live music? How about couple big screen TVs inside? How about on weekends you serve alcoholic beverages during certain hours (nothing hard, but some beer)?

    And hire only attractive girls. Don't hire straight dudes. No need to. If you hire attractive women, that'll make men want to go there. Which will in turn make women want to go there.

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    Also, have a designated place for smoking. 20% of the nation smokes. Starsucks and the other major coffee places don't cater to them.

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    A bar has to work to go out of business in this town. Boutique coffee shops are another story entirely.

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    I am thinking about starting a business. i want to start an upscale coffee shop. However I haven't lived in San Antonio for a few years. What is the market like in San Antonio with small biz coffee shops?

    I also have a friend who wants me to partner with him on a bar. We are picturing a small size bar with a live band, and we are willing to pay more for location. He wants to go downtown austin. He'll be out of the army while i am finishing my contract and pretty much being a silent partner until I move back to Texas.

    So coffee shop or bar with a partner?
    Coffee: downtown with the downtown crowd and tourists or Around Broadway with yuppies, college students and people driving town?

    Bar: Austin or San Antonio?

    Austin: 6th street, downtown or Round Rock?

    Any advice would be great.
    Bars on 6th street have a shelf life of approximately a year.

    The only ones that seem to stick around are the ones that cater to the older crowd.

    Bars have a lot more liability and problems, plus having a partner compounds both. If the guy is a friend, then this would be a definite no-starter, for me at least. It is possible to make such a thing work, but it is rare from what I understand.

    I would stick to the coffee shop, even though the barrier to entry is lower.

    As for where in San Antonio to set up shop, I would not know enough about the market to say for certain.

    You could do some actual market research, either pay a firm or do your own legwork, probably both, if you are thinking of plunking down a large part of your own money.

    I give this advice to every small business person I do bookkeeping for, or even just talk to about things in general:

    If you haven't taken at least 2 or 3 course in accounting, get your ass into a community college and do so, along with a course in microeconomics.

    There are two skill sets involved in small businesses:
    1) Knowing your business. If you want to sell coffee, do your homework on coffee. Know the beans, methods, farmers, etc.
    2) Knowing how to make money at the business. Sounds almost too obvious, but most small businesses fail because the owner doesn't know how to price or sell what he/she is offering, and/or doesn't know how to control costs.

    There are also some decent government resources to leverage:
    http://www.sba.gov/
    http://sachamber.org/cwt/external/wcpages/index.aspx

    If you want to go upscale, think seriously about a website. People find places using smartphones, and having a "digital footprint" is essential.

    Hope this helps.

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    Almost didn't reply but I figured it would be the right thing to do.

    I also at one point was looking to start a bar/ restaurant but I could not raise the capitol and refused to take a loan from the bank.

    Her are a few things to remember.

    Whether its a bar or coffee shop put that right next to a Starbucks. They have done far more research than you or I could ever hope to do and they are well know to be the best at it.

    Austin has a ton of bars which tells you two things... there is a market for it and its over saturated. Why would I or anyone else choose your bar over someone else's?

    Another is if you have a bar downtown Austin make sure that it is long and narrow. That way it looks busy even if it isn't. Also, downtown Austin ksnt worth the rent. No ing way not even close. North Austin near mopac and I believe highway 41? Is booming. Its been a while since I lived there but its that highway that's a tollroad north of duval.

    Coffee shops are hard and unless you have spent the time to know ow to properly make the drinks don't waste your time. There are a ton of easy ways to up coffee. Also if you do go that route, stick it in a very visible place next to Starbucks. If a customer sees Starbucks then a locally owned joint right next door where do you think they are going to go? I have a buddy in north carolina who has made a killing doing just that but he also spent years learning how to make proper coffee drinks.

    Good luck
    +1 More good advice.

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    Make sure you have first rate pastries then. Make them very unique as well. They can make or break you.

    Oh, and make room for me to light up a pipe if I so choose.
    Two words:

    Hooka

    bar

    That would be interesting. Spoke to a guy who does one in San Marcos.

    Very interesting business model.

    He locates it near the bars that the college kids go to, and it gives the kids somewhere to go after they close and hang out, because you can sell tobacco at any time.

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    Also, have a designated place for smoking. 20% of the nation smokes. Starsucks and the other major coffee places don't cater to them.
    Uhh, no. 15 feet from the door is where you smoke. Kinda the law unless you wanna install some pricey ventilation system in a separate room.

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    Wow, you were literally the last person here I'd be expecting to go Pookie on us

    rofl......wrong pipe rasta mon. Tehbackey pipe.


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    Two words:

    Hooka

    bar

    That would be interesting. Spoke to a guy who does one in San Marcos.

    Very interesting business model.

    He locates it near the bars that the college kids go to, and it gives the kids somewhere to go after they close and hang out, because you can sell tobacco at any time.


    Yeah, cyclical I'd guess but a boom in season.

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    A coffee shop would be easier to manage, but I don't think you will ever make much money from it.

    A bar can be a goldmine if done correctly. They are a nightmare to run though.

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