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    Chandler had an absolute career year last season. He was incredible in every aspect. He was the defensive presence down low this team has needed during the entire Nowitzki era, and he was the 2nd most valuable player on their championship team. I used to hate the bas , but now I'll always love Tyson Chandler for bring a le to Dallas.

    With that said, they should tread incredibly carefully here. I would not want them outbidding other teams for Chandler. I seriously doubt he'll ever come close to producing like he did last season, I seriously doubt he'll be healthy like that ever again either.

    I want Chandler back, but for the right price. If it comes down to it, let him walk, do what you can with Haywood for one season, then throw the kitchen sink at Dwight Howard. tbh I might actually rather they do that instead.

    Chandler was great, but re-signing him is a bad idea long term if there's a chance to get Howard.
    If yall think Dwight is going to walk into a Mavs situation with an aging Dirk and only (assuming you amnesty Haywood to get enough under the cap to do something) Marion/Brewer/Roddy B & Jones while being close to maxed out cap wise due to his contract that's fine, but I don't see it.

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    No serious money wants to come to Texas. It's NY, LA, Boston or Miami and Boston is on the back burner and Miami is 10lbs of in a 5lb bag now.

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    If yall think Dwight is going to walk into a Mavs situation with an aging Dirk and only (assuming you amnesty Haywood to get enough under the cap to do something) Marion/Brewer/Roddy B & Jones while being close to maxed out cap wise due to his contract that's fine, but I don't see it.
    Did I say it would happen? or did I say they should throw their hat into the ring?

    I don't see the Mavs winning another le with their core. I think they need to make a push for a young superstar next offseason. They can't do that and sign Chandler too. So unfortunately Chandler has to go.

    And you think aging Dirk as a #2 isn't appealing to free agents? Aging Dirk as a #1 already won a ing le.

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    They could win another with the same group. It's only a few months ago.

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    No problem. The Mavs can do just fine without his whiny ass.

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    I don't see it. I love how they came together but I don't see it happening again. Their le wasn't a fluke, but it was a very good team peaking together at the perfect time. Too many parts have to hit a peak together perfectly a second time for it to happen again. Not saying it can't happen, just saying it probably won't.

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    Did I say it would happen? or did I say they should throw their hat into the ring?

    I don't see the Mavs winning another le with their core. I think they need to make a push for a young superstar next offseason. They can't do that and sign Chandler too. So unfortunately Chandler has to go.

    And you think aging Dirk as a #2 isn't appealing to free agents? Aging Dirk as a #1 already won a ing le.
    Well after me explaining that scenario, do you think that is what they should do? Try to lure a top FA to walk into Dirk/Marion/RoddyB/Jones/Brewer and at best 7M to add to the 6 man roster?

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    Mavs will be at 44M w/out Tyson next season. If he gets his 13M, that puts them at 57M. Subtract Haywood from amnesty they are at 48.5M with only 6 players. If the cap is around the same, that is 58M, so would only leave the Mavs with the ability to offer Dwight/Paul/DWill a 9.5M contract which isn't nearly enough. Obviously, if Tyson signs for less than I predict, you can just subtract some from his salary and add to the 9.5M in cap space I came up with.
    $13 M seems quite a bit much. My guess is even with interest from other teams, I think he'll end up getting a contract worth around $9-10 million per year, and maybe get one more year just to keep the per year down. And remember, even if it's something like $13 million a year, with salary increases, that could mean his 2012-13 salary could be something around $10 million.

    The Mavericks could still conceivably have a decent amount to offer Deron or CP3. They might have to find other ways (trades) to clear a little more cap space. Maybe dump Corey Brewer's contract. Or find a sucker team to take on Marion's contract so the Mavs can use the amnesty on Haywood's. It's not just a black or white thing where if they re-sign Chandler, there are no other moving parts to changing the cap flexibility going into next off season.

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    No problem. The Mavs can do just fine without his whiny ass.
    lol you're re ed. If Chandler goes I fully expect the Mavs to be a first round exit next season. But if suffering that means a shot at Dwight Howard, then it's worth it.

    The le changed everything. Where before it was " the future, just win" now they have some wiggle room. If they didn't win a le I'd be screaming to re-sign Chandler at any cost. But with a le in the bag, they can afford to assess what's best long term rather than what helps the team immediately.

    I really think they should let Chandler walk and go after a big name free agent next offseason. Everything in Chandler's career suggests that last season was an anomaly and not the norm with him. If you give him a big deal, don't cry when he averages 8/8 and plays 30 games next season. You know his history as well as anyone.

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    I don't see it. I love how they came together but I don't see it happening again. Their le wasn't a fluke, but it was a very good team peaking together at the perfect time. Too many parts have to hit a peak together perfectly a second time for it to happen again. Not saying it can't happen, just saying it probably won't.
    True with any team. Before Butler went down, the Mavs were breathing down the neck of the league leading Spurs, then Dirk hits the bench for a few and they fall back 7 or more games. Once Dallas recovered, they went through the league like it was butter.

    I think they have an experience and chemistry you cannot build in a training camp.

    And I am in the camp of making hay when the Sun is shining. You get everything you can from this team, don't rip it apart and think you can find the magic formula just like that. Dwight isn't the answer.

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    He is worth no more than 7 mil per. That's as much as I would be willing to give him.
    Chandler made 12 mil last season. After proving his value as a defensive big and catalyst in the Mavs championship run, why in the would he take a pay cut?

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    Well after me explaining that scenario, do you think that is what they should do? Try to lure a top FA to walk into Dirk/Marion/RoddyB/Jones/Brewer and at best 7M to add to the 6 man roster?
    Absolutely. The NBA is a superstar's league and the Miami Heat proved you can get within 2 games of a le with 2 superstars, one good player, and else.

    If Howard comes to Dallas they'd have 2 superstars and 3-4 okay players, which is comparable.

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    I don't see it. I love how they came together but I don't see it happening again. Their le wasn't a fluke, but it was a very good team peaking together at the perfect time. Too many parts have to hit a peak together perfectly a second time for it to happen again. Not saying it can't happen, just saying it probably won't.
    Sounds like a fluke.

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    $13 M seems quite a bit much. My guess is even with interest from other teams, I think he'll end up getting a contract worth around $9-10 million per year, and maybe get one more year just to keep the per year down. And remember, even if it's something like $13 million a year, with salary increases, that could mean his 2012-13 salary could be something around $10 million.

    The Mavericks could still conceivably have a decent amount to offer Deron or CP3. They might have to find other ways (trades) to clear a little more cap space. Maybe dump Corey Brewer's contract. Or find a sucker team to take on Marion's contract so the Mavs can use the amnesty on Haywood's. It's not just a black or white thing where if they re-sign Chandler, there are no other moving parts to changing the cap flexibility going into next off season.
    I can see that, a front loaded contract, but even if that is the case, lets say he's making 10M next year, that is only 12.5M to offer to a super star who will command much more than that and the roster will only be at 7 people. But yes, if they could clear up other things, it would first have to go to getting the stars offer up, then they would have to fill out a roster.

    It's not impossible, but all signs point to a lot of risk and little chance at it actually happening IMO.

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    Absolutely. The NBA is a superstar's league and the Miami Heat proved you can get within 2 games of a le with 2 superstars, one good player, and else.

    If Howard comes to Dallas they'd have 2 superstars and 3-4 okay players, which is comparable.

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    Chandler made 12 mil last season. After proving his value as a defensive big and catalyst in the Mavs championship run, why in the would he take a pay cut?
    He absolutely shouldn't. But I think the Mavs, or any other team for that matter, would be making a huge mistake thinking he can have another year like that ever again.

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    no one's going to give Chandler what he made last year. i would bet the highest bidder will go tops 9 mil, and that might be generous. best case scenario for the league is Dallas doesn't pay him the 11-13 mil he's going to ask for, he weighs his options, and he takes the 7 mil someone other than Dallas offers him (he'll probably diss Dallas for what he thinks are lowball offers), and the price tag on his calibre of player doesn't get overvalued.
    There are at least 5 other teams after Chandler. Many of those teams have cap space, but aren't contenders. Still, he will get at least what he made last year. Book it!

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    lol you're re ed. If Chandler goes I fully expect the Mavs to be a first round exit next season. But if suffering that means a shot at Dwight Howard, then it's worth it.

    The le changed everything. Where before it was " the future, just win" now they have some wiggle room. If they didn't win a le I'd be screaming to re-sign Chandler at any cost. But with a le in the bag, they can afford to assess what's best long term rather than what helps the team immediately.

    I really think they should let Chandler walk and go after a big name free agent next offseason. Everything in Chandler's career suggests that last season was an anomaly and not the norm with him. If you give him a big deal, don't cry when he averages 8/8 and plays 30 games next season. You know his history as well as anyone.
    Nothing has changed. The Mavs are done. The only thing different is the team won't be known as ringless losers. We found a way to win against all odds. But it doesn't matter as players don't see us winning again.

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    Sounds like a fluke.
    Absolutely not.

    They always had the talent to win a le, but for a decade those parts never worked in harmony the way a championship team does.

    Last season they did what the Spurs and Celtics and Lakers have done - had their championship talent play like champions for 16 playoff games.

    Can they do it again? Yes. Will they? Considering they've only done it once in 10 years, it's incredibly doubtful.

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    crofl DPG with the hypocritical "post an emoticon or a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument instead of making an intellectual rebuttal" goods.

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    Nothing has changed. The Mavs are done. The only thing different is the team won't be known as ringless losers. We found a way to win against all odds. But it doesn't matter as players don't see us winning again.
    Shut up, pussy. I smell fish.

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    Absolutely not.

    They always had the talent to win a le, but for a decade those parts never worked in harmony the way a championship team does.

    Last season they did what the Spurs and Celtics and Lakers have done - had their championship talent play like champions for 16 playoff games.

    Can they do it again? Yes. Will they? Considering they've only done it once in 10 years, it's incredibly doubtful.
    The only commonality between then and now is the team name and basically Dirk.

    This team is not the 2006 team, not by a long shot.

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    No, that was just a terrible re ed post.

    Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Haslem/Miller is a lot different than

    Dwight/Aging Dirk/Marion/Brewer/Roddy B/Jones

    Sorry if you think that is comparable.

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    The only fluke on the Mavs roster last season actually was Tyson Chandler. Every other player performed about at the level everyone expected them to perform. Barea might have exceeded expectations a bit but what other player on the Mavs did you see and say "wow he's never played like that ever in his career" besides Chandler?

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    No, that was just a terrible re ed post.

    Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Haslem/Miller is a lot different than

    Dwight/Aging Dirk/Marion/Brewer/Roddy B/Jones

    Sorry if you think that is comparable.
    I'd say it is, considering Chandler/Aging Dirk/Aging Marion/Aging Kidd/Aging Jet beat Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Haslem/Miller.

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