Butler has been declining, he's had serious injuries, not a good 3pt shooter, and he's 31. Basically, he's just about to become RJ. Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
Not sure if I'd even take a chance on Butler. Hasnt this guy been injured for most of his career? Even though RJ sucked, at least he stayed healthy all of last year. That, and now we have Leonard and James Anderson in case RJ really sucks it up this year....
That's true. I need to think before I post sometimes.
Great, maybe the Spurs will sign him to a long-term contract and we can listen to how much money the Spurs saved by spending 30 million dollars more on him.
It was amazing how many people dedicated themselves to defending that contract at the time.
Truth.
They are all going to LA. The Lakers are going to have a 40 man roster.
Don't get me started... I'll dig up the thread from when it happened where I ranted about what a ed up decision that was, get ragged on, then proven completely correct in all aspects by the end of the season!
it, here it is:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163767
I hope this means Caron Butler grew 4 or 5 inches during the lockout.
The Spurs wouldn't be interested in him unless he also aged 7-9 years during that same stretch.
Doubt he will come here anyway.
I don't want him here either unless we are unloading RJ.
Him and Howard are both buy-low candidates with bigger upside and better all-around games than RJ. If they can get either at half the price and dump RJ then it just makes good sense to do so.
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Spurs making a big push for Caron Butler. Check out the HangTime Blog, on NBA.com: on.nba.com/cQBz1w
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/
The most the spurs can offer is the mle, is this correct?
the mini MLE which is 3 mil.
Are they really serious?
If there is any truth to this at all then Richard Jefferson has played his last game in a Spurs uniform.
Use amnesty on rj and we could offer the full MLE.
It is just really hard to imagine the Spurs paying 15M for Caron Butler (MLE of 5M + the ~10M for RJ they will be paying if he plays or not if amnesty is used on him). Because by all accounts, the Spurs would still be LT payers if the amnesty RJ and use the full MLE.
I still dont get it.....What are they expecting from Butler? For him to stand around the arc and shoot 3's like they made RJ do all last season. That really irritates me, they sit there pondering all these players to get to replace RJ (i'm figuring) while thinking its RJ is not that bad. The Spurs offense is GARBAGE not RJ. Looking at them go after Butler makes me wonder if they were better off trying to get Maggette a few seasons ago.
RJ doesn't have the guts to call someone out (like Parker) where as a more self-centered player like Maggette or maybe to a lesser extent Butler won't put up with Parker not finding them on the break, not giving the ball when their posted up or just downright calling them off to clear out, when he wants to go one on one.
doesn't matter what sf spurs pick up cause leonard's gonna smoke that joker.
Lets hope so ...
IMO, if it's an RJ trade it makes sense. I don't see them using the amnesty then using the full MLE. Even though it's not a huge upgrade, I think what they want from Caron vs RJ is at ude. Caron won't get punked. He's a much better compe or even if the ability isn't there like it used to be. I think that is what they want from him. Plus, even though I think it's fluke, Caron shot 43% from 3 last season.
once again with the 3pt shooting. It seems that every free agent that is looked at has to have some kind of jumpshot or SF has to be a knock down 3pt shooter. What if the Spurs used a small forward to do a number of things along with shoot the 3? Say he posted up, came off curls and shot 3's. That kind of balance from a player could help the Spurs. Instead they expect their SF to turn into knock down shooters even though thats one aspect (its really only a stat) of their game. They limit them for some reason.
They get guys who drive or post first and shoot 3's second, when they really need guys who shoot 3's first and drive second (Pietrus).
They have to amnesty RJ if they get Butler. Keeping the two around just makes no sense at all.
On second thought, this is probably exactly what will happen.
What has happened to this Franchise? What happened to all the genius front office moves and defensive philosphy? Somehing I would love to see is for the Spurs to bring in Jerry Sloan as lead assistant and specifically run the offense, while the head coach is still pop and he only coaches defense, kinda like in football. A pipedream I know, but still.
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