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  1. 12-08-2011 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winehole23
    in the courtroom of semantics of course the DOJ has already been charged, convicted and sentenced
    So, defend them.

    What is their justification? They won't answer the question of why...maybe you'd like to take a stab at it.
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  2. 12-08-2011 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
    it's actually a large leap... typical of you though

    and not using logic at all, typical of you...
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  3. 12-08-2011 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonivore
    So, defend them.

    What is their justification? They won't answer the question of why...maybe you'd like to take a stab at it.
    no thanks. i'm not really invested in it personally and anyway one must be wary of interpolating one's own thoughts in other people's heads.
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  4. 12-08-2011 #79
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    oh sorry, forgot who I was talking to.
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  5. 12-08-2011 #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    and not using logic at all, typical of you...
    abusing it as you do is clearly much preferable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonivore
    Their deliberate actions led to the murder of innocent Mexican citizens when it was reasonable to conclude it would.
    No. The deliberate actions of the cartels lead to the murder of innocents.
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  7. 12-08-2011 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winehole23
    abusing it as you do is clearly much preferable
    Obviously ones predisposition to believe/disbelieve the Obama Justice Department affects ones definition of abusing logic. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree about this one...
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  8. 12-08-2011 #83
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    perfect example. because i attacked yoni's damfoolishness, you assume i am defending, or believe, the DOJ
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    Why isn't anyone in jail yet over this?
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    that is a nearly perfect parody of logic, CC
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  11. 12-08-2011 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonivore
    Their deliberate actions led to the murder of innocent Mexican citizens when it was reasonable to conclude it would.
    Spoken like a true rabid gun control proponent.
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    Alex is right again
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith
    So then you are saying that you are ok with the United States Government supplying weapons to drug cartels in Mexico?
    No, but it isn't like the US Government hasn't supplied weapons to other countries that have come back to bite us in the ass. Come on, be real now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith
    I know some of these guys are your cousins Joe, but come on.
    , you could be my cousin for all I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    Straw man

    However, speaking of straw, a straw purchaser that provided a firearm to a criminal who commits a murder with it could definitely be charged as an accessory to that murder.
    So if they are not a "criminal" at the time of purchase they are off the hook? A background check gives them a pass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
    No. The deliberate actions of the cartels lead to the murder of innocents.
    I concur. If not then, IMHO, all gun dealers are guilty of aiding criminal activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeChalupa
    So if they are not a "criminal" at the time of purchase they are off the hook? A background check gives them a pass?
    You realize that straw purchases on their own are illegal, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    You realize that straw purchases on their own are illegal, right?
    How does the seller know it's a straw purchase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith
    I feel like I got "virtually scolded" by Winehole.
    Hes been the forum paternal arbiter ever since that list of scott's was begun to be put together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
    How does the seller know it's a straw purchase?
    It's illegal for the purchaser not the seller, unless the seller has reason to be su ious. THE ATF gets to make the call on whether they had reason to be su ious which is totally ed. In the fast and furious case, the SELLERS went to the ATF and said they thought they were straw buyers and the ATF told them to sell to them anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    It's illegal for the purchaser not the seller, unless the seller has reason to be su ious. THE ATF gets to make the call on whether they had reason to be su ious which is totally ed. In the fast and furious case, the SELLERS went to the ATF and said they thought they were straw buyers and the ATF told them to sell to them anyway.
    If only there was a way to track the guns after the purchase....
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    Now another shooting on the Virginia Campus. Whom ever supplied the weapons needs to be held accountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
    If only there was a way to track the guns after the purchase....
    So you advocate gun registration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
    Hes been the forum paternal arbiter ever since that list of scott's was begun to be put together.
    jealous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
    ...ever since that list of scott's was begun to be put together.
    actually, people have accused me of it for years.
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