sons thank God the Hornets were unable to reach deal with Gordon!

[Killakobe81]

It's every bit as good as I made it sound. You have your opinion, I just think you are dead wrong and nothing's changed since I said so before it all happened. You keep ignoring the cap space as well and focusing on the "lack of talent" when I argued that part is irrelevant when they got Gordon in the deal. Gordon was the top talent they needed. Who cares about the other players; their value is in their contracts being either large expirings or cheap.

This trade was easily about as good as you could possible hope for in the situation and accomplished everything they needed. Nothing is guaranteed but they gave themselves a legit shot to rebuild and do it well.

The angle of trying to argue this draft sucks outside the top 5 is silly IMO.

Of course it's an opinion. These are all opinions ...but you act like it is a fact.
What good is cap space if no free agent wants to sign there? sure, they can trade but if the pieces you have are trash who would want it? Again I no longer care about the Lakers angle, (I don't deny it bugged me then) if Paul keeps playing the way he has when healthy that is a trade. Look at what Utah got for Dwill ...

Favors
2 first rounders
Cash

Sure Harris is sucking balls but THAT is a trade ...and Paul is better than Williams.

[DPG21920]

I can't believe you are even trying to argue this, Killa. No one had the package LAC offered with talent/cap space/pick. I understand you are upset about the Laker trade (I know you'll say you are not and are just evaluating this one, which we all see right through) but you have yet to make a sound argument as to why this one "is trash". Even if the Minny pick isn't as good as it appeared initially that doesn't change the overall trade except for it being a clear bludgeoning to just a viscous beat down.

[Pelicans78]

Favors is a project as well.

[DPG21920]

Of course it's an opinion. These are all opinions ...but you act like it is a fact.
What good is cap space if no free agent wants to sign there? sure, they can trade but if the pieces you have are trash who would want it? Again I no longer care about the Lakers angle, (I don't deny it bugged me then) if Paul keeps playing the way he has when healthy that is a trade. Look at what Utah got for Dwill ...

Favors
2 first rounders
Cash

Sure Harris is sucking balls but THAT is a trade ...and Paul is better than Williams.

Gordon>>>>>>>>Favors
Minny Pick + Their own >= Utah's 2 1st
Cap Space>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cash

[Killakobe81]

That's the best deal they could have gotten, long-term. Their own suckage is important because it helps them secure an impact lottery pick. Team him with a healthy Gordon gives the team a nice duo. Kaman, Aminu are irrelevant really. They may find a better SF in the draft anyway. Paul had leverage and wasn't going anywhere except LA or NY. No better deal was available.

This where we disagree, unless there was no way you couldn't start the season with in NOLA. If you tell me CP3 put one of the games he put up against the Heat or Lakers up that his trade value does not go up?

Again, forget the Lakers deal. Im just speaking on THIS deal. Lakers deal is irrelevant. Nets set the market and you guys settled plain and simple.

Gordon is very good when healthy. even so the Hornets should of done better.

[TheSpurglar]

You have to count both lotto picks because without dealing Chris Paul, or if they'd dealt for a better short-term package (Laker deal), they likely wouldn't have a potential number one overall pick. They'd have the pick of an 8 seed, like last year. They made the trade with the knowledge that once they did it they'd have a great chance at the number one pick, so imho it definitely counts.

[DPG21920]

Trying to argue that Paul is better than Dwill is funny considering you just changed your mind on that and even if you believe that, it's close. The packages are at least comparable and UTA wasn't in nearly as bad of a situation as NO. Makes no sense you would argue this.

[Pelicans78]

This where we disagree, unless there was no way you couldn't start the season with in NOLA. If you tell me CP3 put one of the games he put up against the Heat or Lakers up that his trade value does not go up?

Again, forget the Lakers deal. Im just speaking on THIS deal. Lakers deal is irrelevant. Nets set the market and you guys settled plain and simple.

Gordon is very good when healthy. even so the Hornets should of done better.

No other big market team had much to give up. He didn't want to go to Golden State. Dallas had nothing to offer. The Knicks didn't. He didn't want to go anywhere else. Teams would have wanted him to sign an extension or commit to more than one year. He didn't sign an extension with the Clippers either. He's only guaranteed for two years.

[Killakobe81]

I can't believe you are even trying to argue this, Killa. No one had the package LAC offered with talent/cap space/pick. I understand you are upset about the Laker trade (I know you'll say you are not and are just evaluating this one, which we all see right through) but you have yet to make a sound argument as to why this one "is trash". Even if the Minny pick isn't as good as it appeared initially that doesn't change the overall trade except for it being a clear bludgeoning to just a viscous beat down.

Did you not read I WAS upset about that trade with the way Stern did us ...never denied that. But I just think the Hornets Could of done btter if they waited. Besides i did not create this thread DPG, I sat on the Thorpe comment BR a fine member of our exec committee brought up Gordon.

What do you mean I did not make a sound argument? Again opinion you post as fact, not exactly executive committee behavior ...

I agree Gordon is better than Favors ... but Paul is also better than Dwill Favors has the potential to be better than any other player in that trade. Besides, what kind of player do you think Hornets will get with that Minny pick? This year's Derek Favors ...

[Killakobe81]

Trying to argue that Paul is better than Dwill is funny considering you just changed your mind on that and even if you believe that, it's close. The packages are at least comparable and UTA wasn't in nearly as bad of a situation as NO. Makes no sense you would argue this.

Duly noted that I was once on the Dwill better than Pau l(or at least close) bandwagon. Argued it many times. I also admitted I was very wrong about it after last year's playoffs and the other day when you and I were doing our "dance" (no ) ...

But feel free to bring that up. But even let's say I STILL believed that, most of the NBA types especially the stat geeks felt CP3>>>>Dwill.
and since many teams now employ those geek bas s, I say they should of held out for more.

But this argument bores me. I stated my case. Neither side can claim victory, but I am sure you will try .
Let's just save this baby for when you are Royal emperor of the NBA forum, and if I turn out to be right on this, promise me some type of honor of my choosing ... if not I will gladly serve under you as a flunky, hitman or as a member of your royal guard ...your choice.

[mercos]

The Hornets were put in a bad situation with the whole Chris Paul fiasco. On top of having no owner and thus an uncertain future this offseason was boned by the lockout which complicated everything. At first I liked the Laker deal from the Hornets perspective (I did not think the deal was good for LA because I don't think the Lakers need a ball dominant point guard beside Kobe) but after seeing Lamar play in Dallas I think they got a better deal from the Clippers.

Now the Hornets are set to have a couple of high picks and hopefully new ownership sometime this year or next. If they get good management they could turn this thing around. Regarding Gordon, there is no way I would give him a max contract. Way to risky with someone that injury prone.

[DPG21920]

You haven't made a sound argument. Just offering an opinion doesn't make it sound. You haven't displayed an understanding of the value of the trade because you don't get it and the things you say as to why you deem it bad make little sense.

You keep bringing up the executive committee like it hurts my feelings I think someone fell a little to hard for my Neo shtick.

How could the Hornets have done better. Name a team that could have offered them a better young talent than Gordon + a better first round pick + the amount of cap space + the ability to suck so they maximize their own pick this year. Just one example if it's so obvious to you.

[DPG21920]

How will you be right? I was already proven right. I alone spoke out against you and the national media and said the Laker deal sucked. I alone said that the Clippers could offer a better package and outlined what that could be. I explained why it was better and it was obvious which is why it went down because the owner of the Hornets saw the same thing.

Even if they let Gordon go and both their picks turn out to be busts you won't be right. I will still be right because it's not about a guarantee; it's about doing what most logical people would deem as giving yourself the best chance to accomplish your goals. This trade already accomplished that.

[Killakobe81]

You haven't made a sound argument. Just offering an opinion doesn't make it sound. You haven't displayed an understanding of the value of the trade because you don't get it and the things you say as to why you deem it bad make little sense.

You keep bringing up the executive committee like it hurts my feelings I think someone fell a little to hard for my Neo shtick.

How could the Hornets have done better. Name a team that could have offered them a better young talent than Gordon + a better first round pick + the amount of cap space + the ability to suck so they maximize their own pick this year. Just one example if it's so obvious to you.

Didnt say it was obvious. And I agree hornets were in a bad spot. I just feel they could of done better. Let's play this out ...they had offers from the Clips and Lakers. They could of leaked those out and made the other teams try and beat it. Look at what Denver got for Melo ... he only wanted NY and yet they did much better than the Hornets have appeared to. Not only did they gain some cap space but they are deeper and younger than before. If the clips wanted him THAT bad ... NOLA could of exerted considerable pressure ...at first Gordon was a "deal breaker" but they relented. Clips acted like they didn't need Paul ...but they did. I would of called their bluff and have at least gotten both #1 picks, Gordon and Bledsoe now THAT would of been a better trade. I don't know cap numbers so Kaman may of been needed to make the dollars work ...

[Killakobe81]

How will you be right? I was already proven right. I alone spoke out against you and the national media and said the Laker deal sucked. I alone said that the Clippers could offer a better package and outlined what that could be. I explained why it was better and it was obvious which is why it went down because the owner of the Hornets saw the same thing.

Even if they let Gordon go and both their picks turn out to be busts you won't be right. I will still be right because it's not about a guarantee; it's about doing what most logical people would deem as giving yourself the best chance to accomplish your goals. This trade already accomplished that.

Ok, I take it back ...I am not THAT arrogant.

[DPG21920]

Sure getting an extra pick and Bledsoe would have been better it doesn't mean it was a " " trade as you put it. It was an excellent trade as I've outlined.

Also, you can't name a single team that could have given them better. So obviously it's not that clear.

[DPG21920]

Ok, I take it back ...I am not THAT arrogant.

Is that not true? I'm not being arrogant. I was scoffed relentlessly when I said the Laker deal sucked. I was scoffed worse when I said NO could do better and named the Clips and what type of package they could get. I was right so how is that arrogant, it's just the truth.

I've been wrong numerous times (dem Mavs), I was good on this one.

[Killakobe81]

And why do you keep bringing up the Lakers?
I was the dumbass that said we would be giving up too much for Paul do you remember? this is not about that trade vs the other one. Apparently the shake-up has you confused. I just argued that Stern did us dirty. I was not upset about them turning down a spectacular deal by us ... I was only upset that it screwed our team because all 3 GM's had agreed to deal in principle an dit left our team scrambling.

I just think the Hornets should of held out for more, if that was the best deal they could get they could of waited until the trdae deadline and still make that deal. and they still would of sucked after the trade so they still would of been able to tank. With my deal they probably suck even worse ...

And I also freely admit I can't stand Aminu ...so maybe that is why I feel the way I do. Look it up DPG, I argued that on the day of the veto.

[Pelicans78]

No way the Hornets could tank if they had Paul till the deadline. They would win alot more games.

[Killakobe81]

Maybe is too strong. And maybe Clips (cant believe Im typing this) arent as dumb as Nets or Knicks ... but I just think they were sold short. To say it was is exaggeration on my part ...

[DPG21920]

Aminu is irrelevant. He only has upside. If he sucks (which I agree he does), then they cut ties. He was just a young upside piece thrown in. Saying they should have held out for more isn't the same as saying it was a " " deal and trying to come at me like I was wrong about the principles of the deal.

[Killakobe81]

No way the Hornets could tank if they had Paul till the deadline. They would win alot more games.

how many more games when he has missed like 4 or 5 already and he would of had a lot less motivation to suit up since there would be far less national TV games?

[DPG21920]

How do you know he would of pulled a hammy on NO ?

[Killakobe81]

Aminu is irrelevant. He only has upside. If he sucks (which I agree he does), then they cut ties. He was just a young upside piece thrown in. Saying they should have held out for more isn't the same as saying it was a " " deal and trying to come at me like I was wrong about the principles of the deal.

Come on DPG, this what we do.

And to be fair I never named you here I posted a smart ass comment (some of you consider that trolling , I call it baiting) and you came after me.

All i said was great trade and you came here to show your superiority ... but that is you and we have fun, at least I know I do. You dont take this personal do you, DPG? Like I said we have some similarities ...that is why we argue.

[DPG21920]

No, I don't take it personal. I talk fast, type fast and In vino veritas.