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gonna be tought to get to 14 million without touching RJ, duncan ginobli or parker. at minimum it requires leonard.
I'd do this!
gonna be tought to get to 14 million without touching RJ, duncan ginobli or parker. at minimum it requires leonard.
No thanks.
If we wouldn't have ed up on Scola and gave up on Ian this wouldn't be happening.
Actually... I would take Kaman for Blair.
agree with the timvp analysis.
Spurs are one of the few teams that display decent quality AND depth at center with Tim and Tiago. if you trade in that department, you want a significant upgrade. (which Kaman isn't, unless we count a significant rise of costs as an upgrade).
Spurs have one need and that's a quality PF. every other need is absolutely minor compared to this. Spurs interest in K-Mart makes a lot more sense than their interest in Kaman and I'm NOT a supporter of the K-Mart idea.
(btw. Lorbek could be such a quality PF, but we either don't know if he can translate his currently great play to the NBA game and if he will come over this summer at all. and we need help right now)
so get a PF. do it with whatever package you can design including Blair, Bonner, RJ, JA, 2012 1st rounder. it won't be an all star, it likely needs to be a player, who doesn't impress much with his current team. Spurs will need to take a flyer on an option, that isn't beautyful at first sight.
for example. (just to make 90% of you guys barf)
Channing Frye. (for Bonner+JA)
why him?
he might be one of the few players we could get for Matt Bonner. Suns do it, b/c it gives them more flexibility for a total restart 2012. (shorter and cheaper contract of Matt). they will increase the minutes for Morris, who somehow is a promise for the Suns future. they might even be instered in getting a close look at JA.
why the Spurs do it? Frye IS NOT an upgrade on defense at PF, but the bad news is, he isn't a downgrade from Blair/Bonner either. his lenghts and mobility might even produce slightly better results on defense, than those two. he IS an upgrade on offense though. not b/c he is that good, but b/c he will fit very nice alongside either Tim and Tiago (and might even work in a combination with Blair, when taking the center spot.)
It would take a Jackie Butler-esque disaster trade to get Kaman, so no thanks.
If the Spurs were to somehow throw what little assets they have into the fray for a frontline player, I would hope it would be a younger, more athletic, less-expensive, up-and-coming player like Jason Thompson (Kings) or someone of that ilk.
No disrespect to Kaman, but he's older and grossly overpaid. From an economic standpoint, he makes very little sense for the Spurs - and has been pointed out earlier - it's difficult to envision Pop ever playing Kaman alongside either Splitter or Duncan.
Pass on Kaman.
I don't envision him arriving here via trade. NO will want pieces that aren't worth moving, unless its Blair and/or JA.
Only way I see him in a Spurs uni if he's bought out and signs here as a FA.
This appears to be the only scenario I see the Spurs getting him IMHO.
It's sad that you could subs ute Kaman's name in this sentence with basically any big-man the Spurs could acquire or trade for.
I would have to agree...RJ/Blair/Anderson for Kaman. I am pretty sure that NOH would want a 1st rd pick though as well though.
Chris Sheridan includes the spurs in three possible trades for Kaman, the others being kaman to the rockets or to the nets.
Kaman to the San Antonio Spurs for Richard Jefferson, Danny Green, James Anderson, $3 million and the Spurs’ No. 1 pick in 2012. Jefferson is owed $21 million for the next two seasons, and he Hornets could not amnesty him. Green is this year’s version of George Hill but could be replaced in the rotation by rookie Cory Joseph (a 41 percent 3-point shooter in college) and/or rookie Kawhi Leonard. The Spurs would take a luxury tax hit, but owner Peter Holt has paid it in the past and won’t have to worry about it next year with Tim Duncan’s $21.3 million salary coming off the cap.
Tbh I'd put Blair instead of Danny Green in this trade, too much wings lost for a big. And with 5 bigs Splitter time would be cut again
the link: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/01...-kaman-trades/
And in this draft that would be a deal breaker IMHO.
Got to keep that draft pick this year unless we can get a better one someway.
At the very least it will be around #15 which would be a good young player.
Would do the Frye trade in a heartbeat - after he hit clutch shot after clutch shot in the playoffs vs Spurs. Bonner won't ever be doing that. And Blair's contract doesn't match up, does it? I personally prefer Blair as a player but with TD and Splitter, Pop wants that stretch, spacing PF.
Frye sucks, do not want. I agree with what Bruno said, but I also disagree because the Spurs aren't stupid and they wouldn't include Tiago/Kawhi in a deal for Kaman. So if they somehow got Kaman, I think it would be a good thing because it means NO relented and accepted a package of RJ/our 1st round pick/Young player(s) and in that regard you have to do it. The ability to get a capable big man and erase RJ's contract with an expiring instead of amnesty is worth the first rounder and any young player outside of Tiago/Kawhi.
Now, I don't think they will accept anything less than Tiago or Kawhi, but that's another issue. I'm just saying in order for a deal to be reached, it would have to be NO relenting on what they want for Kaman and then the Spurs could come in and offer RJ/1st rounder/Blair/Green or Anderson and that is a deal you have to do.
Start Tiago/Duncan, bring Kaman/Bonner off the bench.
that.
1. Kaman sucks
2. Splitter is good
3. The Spurs have no need whatsoever for a third center
4. A draft pick in the late teens will nab a solid player in this stacked draft
Trading for Kaman only makes sense if the Spurs are trading Tim in another deal.
IMO
1. Kaman sucks
2. Splitter is good
3. The Spurs have no need whatsoever for a third center
4. A draft pick in the late teens will nab a solid player in this stacked draft
1) Kaman doesn't suck
2) Spurs would still have Splitter, Splitter can start next to Duncan and we do need a true back up C in that situation off the bench with Bonner.
3) Spurs won't likely have a late teen(s) pick IMO and the ability to get rid of RJ's salary without having to use the amnesty (because Kaman is a 14M expiring) is well worth a late first rounder in any draft IMO especially because the Spurs seem to be valuing cap space anyways.
The only way what you just said makes sense is if you don't believe Tiago and Tim can play together and that if you don't believe cap space is really valuable.Trading for Kaman only makes sense if the Spurs are trading Tim in another deal.
There are a few guys I'd give up for Kaman for sure, Splitter is not on that list. You're giving up more than you're getting back if you include Tiago in the trade.
Which is why IMO the Spurs wouldn't do that. If they ask for Kahwi or Tiago, Spurs don't do it. If they are to get Splitter, it will likely be as I outlined and in that case if you keep the Big 3 intact, keep Tiago and Kahwi, the Spurs have to do it even if it involved Blair, Green and a first rounder.
1) Kaman is a piece of who underperforms like anytime there is any expectation on him. Just what the Spurs need though, a slow unathletic center who shoots 43% and goes into Bonner-fail when games mean something.
2) Splitter isn't going to start next to Duncan. This is a fantasy. Splitter is the backup 5.
3) The Spurs are one game out of the 10th seed in the West, and are awful on the road. They'll likely get into the playoffs at no better than a 7th seed, so drafting around 18-20 sounds about right.
4) Valuing cap space is moronic because no one comes to San Antonio unless it's to gravy-train a ring, and that time is long gone.
Now if the Spurs could get a power forward who could defend and hit the midrange shot I'd be all for making a move. Not for a center when they already have two really solid fives.
Disagree on all accounts so we'll just see. Spurs should win their division and get a top 4 seed. We have guys in Bonner and Blair that suck and shrink in the playoffs and Kaman is better than them both and is at least an expiring contract who allows the Spurs to dump RJ and open up a significant amount of cap space. I think it's possible Pop starts splitter Tim this year.
Last edited by DPG21920; 01-28-2012 at 01:26 PM.
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