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    I think my wife's family was rather shocked when they found out I was an atheist, because I was such a "nice person". Ah well, changing hearts and minds one step at a time, etc etc...
    One doesn't have to believe in religion to be a nice, decent, respectful person. But one does have to have morals, IMHO.

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    The wife and I discussed religion before we married as it can be an issue when having children. I'm raising them as Catholic but they will need to decide on which path they chose to follow.

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    God smote the enemies of Israel? Isn't that part of the job description when you're a tribal deity? Womp ass on enemies? Hard to see what the gripe is, tbh.
    God smote everybody that wasn't on team Israel.

    Why would God even bother creating other nations, just to hate on them later?


    Well, you can't believe everything everybody tells you. Particularly people who claim to be experts on the eschatological deeds and the final disposition of things.
    No scholarly advice required to form such a conclusion.

    John 3:16 clear as day states the contempt that God has for the non-believer.

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    All I will say is thats its funny how the religious people that I know only have "friends" from church and nowhere else. And by "friends", I mean people you see once a week and have birthday parties with your kids but never once actually have a disagreement with because you will no longer be "friends" anymore.
    Ironic this.

    I am religious, go to church every week; same one for 6 years.

    Have NO friends from Church.

    The majority of my friends are Atheists/Humanists or Agnostic.

    We DO discuss religion regularly; we all respect each other's beliefs (as far as I know; they might very well mock me when not in my presence; but I don't think so). A couple have even shown up on Sunday morning to see what's going on....neither returned.

    They are good people; generous with their time and possessions. I am a Christian, and I believe JC to be the savior of me and all of mankind. That said, MY God doesn't send MY friends to (nor DR, for that matter).

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    God smote everybody that wasn't on team Israel.

    Why would God even bother creating other nations, just to hate on them later?




    No scholarly advice required to form such a conclusion.

    John 3:16 clear as day states the contempt that God has for the non-believer.
    Bull .

    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    Doesn't mention the non-believer.

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    “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

    ― Marcus Aurelius, Stoic philosopher-king

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    Bull .

    Doesn't mention the non-believer.
    The implication is crystal clear: if you are a non-believer, you perish.

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    The implication is crystal clear: if you are a non-believer, you perish.
    Your biased interpretation doesn't mean that's what it means.

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    Your biased interpretation doesn't mean that's what it means.
    Please give your unbiased interpretation of what this verse means for the non-believer.

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    Please give your unbiased interpretation of what this verse means for the non-believer.
    It is not an either/or passage. It claims that those who believe in [and accept] Jesus shall not perish. It doesn't say that those who aren't believers will parish. I believe there are other ways to have a favorable existence in the next life.

    The Bible is a book written for the followers of Jehovah. It even imply there are other Gods.

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    The implication is crystal clear: if you are a non-believer, you perish.
    Many, if not most, Christians believe as you do.

    I don't.

    Honestly I was much more of a hard-assed know it all Christian before I had children. Then I had children, and I understand much better the love God has for us; for it is as a father.

    I give my kids WAY too many chances; set a line, let them cross it; move the line. 1, 2, 2 1/2, 2 3/4, etc.....

    Far be it from me to think God isn't more forgiving with his own children than I....

    You die and haven't accepted Jesus - there's Jesus waiting for you - showing you heaven, showing you ........if you have an eternal soul, why couldn't your choice be AFTER you die in this reality? After all, I would give my own kids that chance.

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    It even imply there are other Gods.

    Yeah.....you're going to .

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    Yeah.....you're going to .
    LOL...

    OK...

    If you insist, sitting there in judgement of me...

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    “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

    ― Marcus Aurelius, Stoic philosopher-king
    Awesome quote Zosa. I've paraphrased nearly the exact same words, but of my own beliefs. I was pretty sure that someone else had coined the idea first though. Nice to know who that is. I'll have to tuck this quote into my mental memory bank.

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    Many, if not most, Christians believe as you do.

    I don't.

    Honestly I was much more of a hard-assed know it all Christian before I had children. Then I had children, and I understand much better the love God has for us; for it is as a father.

    I give my kids WAY too many chances; set a line, let them cross it; move the line. 1, 2, 2 1/2, 2 3/4, etc.....

    Far be it from me to think God isn't more forgiving with his own children than I....

    You die and haven't accepted Jesus - there's Jesus waiting for you - showing you heaven, showing you ........if you have an eternal soul, why couldn't your choice be AFTER you die in this reality? After all, I would give my own kids that chance.
    One would think that all-loving God wouldn't have created a in the first place.

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    It is not an either/or passage. It claims that those who believe in [and accept] Jesus shall not perish. It doesn't say that those who aren't believers will parish. I believe there are other ways to have a favorable existence in the next life.

    The Bible is a book written for the followers of Jehovah. It even imply there are other Gods.
    In your unbiased interpretation, where does the Bible say believers in other gods go when they die.

    Book and verse, please.

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    One would think that all-loving God wouldn't have created a in the first place.

    "Universal Salvation" is gaining popularity in some Christian circles. I don't, as "liberal" as my views are, do not prescribe to it.

    There are posters on this board, I imagine, that would CHOOSE , just to make a point.

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    well, its a commandment, so.......

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    "Universal Salvation" is gaining popularity in some Christian circles. I don't, as "liberal" as my views are, do not prescribe to it.

    There are posters on this board, I imagine, that would CHOOSE , just to make a point.
    Yes, so God isn't so forgiving after all.

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    Yes, so God isn't so forgiving after all.
    Something I firmly believe we were given is free will. If, given a choice, while peering into the abyss, or gazing into paradise, a person is bent (so to speak) on the abyss....God won't stop them. He is not condemning them, they are choosing to separate themselves from Him.

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    Many, if not most, Christians believe as you do.

    I don't.

    Honestly I was much more of a hard-assed know it all Christian before I had children. Then I had children, and I understand much better the love God has for us; for it is as a father.

    I give my kids WAY too many chances; set a line, let them cross it; move the line. 1, 2, 2 1/2, 2 3/4, etc.....

    Far be it from me to think God isn't more forgiving with his own children than I....

    You die and haven't accepted Jesus - there's Jesus waiting for you - showing you heaven, showing you ........if you have an eternal soul, why couldn't your choice be AFTER you die in this reality? After all, I would give my own kids that chance.
    So you made up your own non biblical logic.

    Far be it from me to tell you not to change the fairy tale ending from sad to happy.

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    "Universal Salvation" is gaining popularity in some Christian circles. I don't, as "liberal" as my views are, do not prescribe to it.

    There are posters on this board, I imagine, that would CHOOSE , just to make a point.
    don't you look forward to mingling with your taliban brothers?

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    Something I firmly believe we were given is free will. If, given a choice, while peering into the abyss, or gazing into paradise, a person is bent (so to speak) on the abyss....God won't stop them. He is not condemning them, they are choosing to separate themselves from Him.
    He created , did he not? He made the rules, did he not?

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    Something I firmly believe we were given is free will. If, given a choice, while peering into the abyss, or gazing into paradise, a person is bent (so to speak) on the abyss....God won't stop them. He is not condemning them, they are choosing to separate themselves from Him.
    So why go to the trouble to create earth, complete with pain and suffering?

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    He created , did he not? He made the rules, did he not?
    Yes.

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