The Admiral was an amazing player and an even better person.
But Jamstone pretty much said it best. No one quite had a prime like DRob; the guy was an absolute freak on both ends of the floor. But injuries shortened his prime and when healthy, he was unable to lead the Spurs to the Finals, much less a championship.
What Dirk was able to do against the Heat was incredible.
Agree, with most of this ... (lakers may have quit but they do not suck ... LOL) playoff performances matter.
Not even a Mavs fan would take Dirk over Robinson in an all-time fantasy draft, with supporting casts being somewhat equal. Not one with any common sense, at least. Dirk was marginally better than Robinson offensively, but defensively, there is absolutely no comparison. You can't even measure the type of defensive impact a player like that has by statistics.
Im not sure where I fit on this exactly though Im leaning towards Dirk. But to see dirk is only MARGINAL better than David offensively is a stretch.
Dirk certainly is not a better all-around player than the majority of people on this list. What carries Dirk as far as he has gotten, is his unique mix of size/skillset, and the intangibles he brings. When it comes to those things, arguably none of the players on this list matches up to him.
I definitely won't argue Dirk over Moses Malone. Moses was just amazing. But I think any of the other guys, an argument definitely exists, to the point where it pretty much becomes just a matter of personal preference/team build.
If you want a do-it-all type of player, it's hard to argue against KG, D-Rob, or Karl. In terms of pure talent/ability, I'm not sure any of these guys are better than Barkley. But if you want a guy who is a matchup nightmare, and a proven clutch leader, Dirk is your man.
Has Dirk ever come close to 30PPG in a season? Like I said, he's marginally better offensively, at best. The reason I'll give him that is because of him causing mismatches. Robinson is obviously way, way more efficient offensively.
Just like you can't measure the type of impact a player like Dirk has, in the mismatches he creates on the court, or his clutch ability, by statistics.
All-around game: D-Rob >>> Dirk
Leadership and intangibles: Dirk >>>> D-Rob
I would agree with Dirk being a better leader, because all Robinson does is spew religious bull . As far as intangibles, they're just that... who knows? It's too hard to say who has better intangibles. I mean, Robinson is 7'1" and a freak of nature athletically, how can you measure his true impact? I'm always taking a player like that over a soft jump shooter. And yes, Dirk is soft. He can't defend and doesn't hit the boards like he should.
Iverson/TMAC has scored that many does that make them a better offensive player than Bird or Dirk?
Robinson was an amazing player kind of like Malone who scored plenty of easy buckets in transition. That is no knock, but I would argue Malone was a better post player and passer. Which is also a part of offense. The reason I give dirk the edge, is because he can be counted on to get buckets late in games and in the shot clock at a better success rate than David, because of the mismatches he created, his ability to hit high degree of difficulty shots, and his amazing touch on the FT line.
Peak
Mo Malone 1983s Championship run
Garnett 2002s rigged year robbed him of a 'ship chance but he was goood.
Dork. Sucked out after the Heat gifted Game 5 but still an impressive playoff run.
Barkley
DR
I'm doing playoff performances.
"because all Robinson does is spew religious bull "
What a sad comment. Robinson is a true great who served as an officer, and has been greatly honored for a lifetime of great service, as much outside of basketball as in basketball, including the Carver Academy.
In the Olympics Robinson was picked to start over both Shaq and Ewing he was that damm good and if he had had a John Stockton or even a Jason Kidd around him he probably would have won even more than 2 championships.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in scoring (1993–94), rebounding (1990–91) and blocked shots (1991–92) during his careerSecond player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player during his career
Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots and win awards for Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player during his careerKareem Abdul-Jabbar achieved all of these except for Defensive Player of the Year, an award which did not exist for most of his career.
Only player in NBA history to rank among top five players in the league in rebounding, blocks and steals in the same season: 1991–92
Ranked first in blocks (4.49 bpg), fourth in rebounding (12.2 rpg) and fifth in steals (2.32 spg).
Robinson was much greater as a player than Dirk period.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_(basketball)
That would be like saying Shaq > Larry Bird offensively, because he had better scoring averages per 36 minutes over his career, and more 29 ppg seasons than Bird.
Most any NBA player is fully capable of scoring points in the first 43 minutes of the game. If they can consistently score and create offense in the clutch, against elite defensive teams and elite defenders... that is the mark of a truly elite offensive player. Dirk is in the class. I'm not so sure D-Rob will ever be remembered for being that type of offensive player.
Robinson is a great human being and an excellent role model, but that does not change the fact religion is bull and that is not the way to lead a professional sports team.
What I do know is that Robinson scores at over a 50% clip for his career, Dirk does not... and is sure to fall much lower by the time his career is over. Points count the same, whether they are in the 1st or 4th quarter.
Yes, one of two players in NBA history to average 25 and 10 in the playoffs (the other being Shaq), is a soft jumpshooter who doesn't hit the boards...
Robinson must blow ass at rebounding, considering Dirk is so awful at rebounding, yet only averages .2 less rebounds per game for his playoff career average. He must blow even more ass at scoring considering he averages almost 8 less points than a soft jumpshooter, for a playoff career average.
Great point. But Robinson was a rugged defender rebounder, but a jumpshooting big man with a quick first step on offense. Because he can dunk does that make him tough? Wa sthe lack of a reliable backdown post game make him soft? When he played many announcers urged David to use those muscles to overpower his defenders he preferred to drive around or shoot over them ...some even argued his religon made him soft ...
Not making those arguments, just saying ...
Points do count the same. But they are much harder to come by in a close game, against elite defensive teams. They are also much harder to come by in the playoffs, when teams play much harder. This is evidently an issue Robinson faces considering his poor scoring averages for his playoff career.
It's also much different when you get a lot of your points early in the game off of putbacks, dunks, and medium to short range jumpshots. Late in games, its much harder to get those kinds of buckets.
Shaq was in that class, but he dropped out (due to points). Actually, there are four players right now who have a career average of 25+ and 10+ in the playoffs: Dirk, Hakeem, Bob Pet and Elgin Baylor. That's it.
that is pretty elite company ...LOL at the Hakeem wasn't consistent argument.
Sorry, I meant to say active players, not in history. Either way, he's in great company.
The only thing i can tell you for sure is ewing doesn't belong on that list.
he belongs, I agree though he is ranks near the bottom ...
dont get all the hate on Patrick ... he wasnt clutch, but he was a warrior and if starks could hit some open shots he has the same number of les as Hakeem and Dirk.
Not his biggest fan, but the hate here on him is crazy.
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