Spurs to offer Duncan at least $11M per year

[DPG21920]

Bold Prediction: Spurs will make a trade at the deadline and win the le this year.

[Mel_13]

I believe the new CBA allows you to renegotiate contracts any time. I wonder how teams will start to use this. Potentially you could renegotiate a lower contract for someone who isn't worth their contract.

It doesn't.

There were some reports to that effect during the late stages of the negotiations, but they were based on a misreading of the proposed agreement.

[Spurs da champs]

Bold Prediction: Spurs will make a trade at the deadline and win the le this year.

Doubt it, we've got the most timid Front Office in the league.

[Mal]

And there goes any big name FA

[DPG21920]

Doubt it, we've got the most timid Front Office in the league.

You don't have to believe it; just be there for the parade

[anonoftheinternets]

I would hope that in my job, ....

Comparing you at ur job to duncan at his

[Gutter92]

This debate is actually really simple.

As a Spurs fan, you want Tim Duncan to take as little money as possible.

The Spurs, as an organization, know that it makes both business and basketball sense to give Duncan whatever the heck it takes to sign him.

If you're Tim Duncan, you have to figure out where on the spectrum between $1m and $23m you want to be paid. Anyone who thinks it's a simple or easy decision is fooling themselves.

[DPG21920]

The debate is simple; the actual decision is not.

[CGD]

I can see the "starting point" (to quote Buck directly) in a negotiation being around half of what he is currently making (or an average of his last contract), and then the parties agreeing on something less than that. The Spurs are probably more concerned about not insulting Tim by low balling him tbh.

Tim is pragmatic. The most likely scenario is that he is brought into any discussion about acquiring a new "impact" player, and based on whether that is feasible or not, he will adjust his salary demands. 9-10M a year would be my bet, which would leave around 7-8M to spend this summer by my count (assuming RJ is dropped).

[lurker23]

The debate is simple; the actual decision is not.

This.

One thing to consider in this whole situation: while Tim will need to be signed before the Spurs make any more moves (in order to remove his enormous cap hold), that doesn't mean that the Spurs can't leave him unsigned for the time-being while they negotiate with other free agents.

For example, the Spurs could pursue a relatively big name free agent, telling that player that Tim is willing to take less if he comes on board. If that player agrees verbally to a $12m/yr contract, then they would sign Tim for ~$3-5m, then give the free agent the remainder of the cap space. However, if the Spurs were to strike out with the big names and instead get a player in the $6m/yr range, they could tell Tim "thanks for the offer," and end up giving him ~$9-11m.

[phxspurfan]

The big 3 is pure Spur forever. I don't care if you have to let got of Neal, Green and Anderson. Duncan retires a Spur and 4 championships is more than enough to build him a statue in front of that gym. Let D, P and G start next to Shane Heal, Cherokee Parks and Bonner. I don't care. Spurs forever.

[timvp]

first off, I think the worst method to figure out what "a player deserves" is to compare to other contracts.

That's how NBA teams and agents negotiate. Each side points to comparables to set the parameters of the deal. For example, for Tony Parker's first big contract, he wanted to make more than Gilbert Arenas. And David Robinson's agent pointed to John Stockton's contract with the Jazz (two-year, $22 million) as the example of what Robinson should get.

if that aint a loyalty contract, then what is it?

I know this has been covered but to say Duncan's current contract is a loyalty contract is beyond ridiculous.

That statement in the Harvey article sounded a lot more like his own personal conjecture than anything else...

Buck Harvey is too connected to pull those specifics out of thin air.

[Mugen]

Pay the man.

[024]

since the spur won't have much cap room next year, time to pull off some crazy cap killing trade. sigh... too bad there are no expiring contracts large enough.

[timvp]

A $38M/3 years contract for Duncan doesn't correspond to his market value.

What do you think is Duncan's market value if you think $12.7 million per year is too much? That's the going rate for an above average starting center. Unless he falls off a cliff between now and the offseason, Duncan has all the appearances of a player who can be an above average starting center for a couple more seasons.

As a Spurs fan who wants to see the Spurs win, I would like Duncan to take less. But there's no way $12.7 million per year is exorbitant.

I have no problem with giving Duncan a reward contract but it has consequences. The first one is that Spurs FO should come to Parker and tell him "You took a reasonable extension to let us build a compe ive team but instead we rewarded Duncan. If you want to move to a compe ive team, just give us a list of teams you would like to go and we will try to accommodate your wishes.".

As great of a contract Parker's extension looks now on paper, Parker wasn't simply motivated by giving the Spurs a break. When he signed that extension, he was coming off of the worst year of his career and there was a looming lockout. He decided it wasn't worth testing the market due to the risk that he could either fall off further or the new CBA could bring down how much money he could earn.

It's true that he could have played hardball and gotten more money and he was tired of the distractions caused by everyone assuming he was leaving for a bigger market ... but there were legitimate reasons why he took four years and $50 million when his outlook was uncertain.




Speaking of which, Bill Simmons today mentioned Parker's contract:

The 12 most cap-appealing NBA contracts that aren't rookie deals or expiring deals:

1. Tony Allen: 2 years, $6.45 million
2. Paul Millsap: 2 years, $16.7 million
3. Marcin Gortat: 3 years, $21.8 million
4. Kyle Lowry: 3 years, $17.5 million
5. Nikola Pekovic: 2 years, $9.3 million
6. Rajon Rondo: 4 years, $45 million
7. Tony Parker: 4 years, $50 million
8. Anderson Varejao: 4 years, $34.8 million
9. Josh Smith: 2 years, $25.6 million
10. Sam Dalembert: 2 years, $13.6 million
11. Udonis Haslem: 4 years, $16.8 million
12. Brandon Bass: 2 years, $8.5 million

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...e-value-part-1

[timvp]

Here's the best comparable I found yet: Marcus Camby got a two year extension from the Blazers at age 36 for two years and $25 million.













Suddenly Spurs fans think Tim Duncan doesn't deserve Marcus Camby money

[phxspurfan]

Here's the best comparable I found yet: Marcus Camby got a two year extension from the Blazers at age 36 for two years and $25 million.

Suddenly Spurs fans think Tim Duncan doesn't deserve Marcus Camby money

Those Spur fans need to stfu on this, seriously. Overpaying some punk kid over paying TD what he's worth is quintessential casual NBA fan thinking.

Next thing you know, those same fans will be saying Spurs Are Boring (tm).

[flox]

From circa 2001 :

'The National Basketball Association today announced that Commissioner David Stern has taken the following actions based upon an arbitrator's ruling on Monday that the Minnesota Timberwolves, Joe Smith, and agent Eric Fleisher entered into a secret agreement in violation of the NBA's salary cap rules:

directed the forfeiture of Minnesota's own first-round draft picks in the 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 NBA Drafts;

fined the team $3.5 million; and

voided the player contract between Smith and the Timberwolves for the 2000-01 season, along with all contracts previously entered into by Smith and the team.

In addition to these penalties, the Collective Bargaining Agreement also authorizes the Commissioner to suspend team personnel who were involved in the making of the secret agreement. Those suspensions will be determined after subsequent proceedings before the arbitrator.'

Correct me if I wrong but wasn't this because this was a secret deal and also one which was not a personal services contract, but rather, a hidden agreement?

If a personal services contract isn't private (It isn't from the MLB with the Pujols contract), does it still count against the cap? For how much? How could they calculate the cost?

I obviously have no clue how or if this works. Just wondering if anyone else does.

[Bruno]

What do you think is Duncan's market value if you think $12.7 million per year is too much?

It's the length of the contract that is too much.
Do you really think that Duncan, who is playing with a bones on bones knee, will be worth $12.7M for the 2015 playoffs while he will be 39 years old?

As great of a contract Parker's extension looks now on paper, Parker wasn't simply motivated by giving the Spurs a break. When he signed that extension, he was coming off of the worst year of his career and there was a looming lockout. He decided it wasn't worth testing the market due to the risk that he could either fall off further or the new CBA could bring down how much money he could earn.

Parker didn't of course sacrifice $30M but part of the reason why he accepted this reasonable extension was to help Spurs build a good team.

If Spurs sign Duncan to a $38M/3 years contract, they had to let Parker choose what he wants for his future. Agree?

[phxspurfan]

If Spurs sign Duncan to a $38M/3 years contract, they had to let Parker choose what he wants for his future. Agree?

Iiinteresting. So this makes me think that, if the Spurs want to offer Duncan this kind of money, and keep the big 3 happy, they should get them all in a room and discuss the options to make sure no one is upset at the decision (In a perfect world, I know).

[tuncaboylu]

It's the length of the contract that is too much.
Do you really think that Duncan, who is playing with a bones on bones knee, will be worth $12.7M for the 2015 playoffs while he will be 39 years old?



Parker didn't of course sacrifice $30M but part of the reason why he accepted this reasonable extension was to help Spurs build a good team.

If Spurs sign Duncan to a $38M/3 years contract, they had to let Parker choose what he wants for his future. Agree?

Parker will also get his reward contract when the time comes.

Lannisiters, opps, Spurs always pay their debts.

[Spurs da champs]

Here's the best comparable I found yet: Marcus Camby got a two year extension from the Blazers at age 36 for two years and $25 million.











Suddenly Spurs fans think Tim Duncan doesn't deserve Marcus Camby money

That was the Blazer's front office which drafted Greg Oden, I mean c'mon.

[Spurs Brazil]

TD earned it

Spurs have to pay what he asks

[Spurs da champs]

TD earned it

Spurs have to pay what he asks

If Tim cared about winning another le he'd do what's best for the team, but it seems that's lacking now a days.

[Mal]

Here's the best comparable I found yet: Marcus Camby got a two year extension from the Blazers at age 36 for two years and $25 million.



Suddenly Spurs fans think Tim Duncan doesn't deserve Marcus Camby money

I think that Tim needs to be paid well. But on the other hand I would like to see Tim, Manu, Tony and 12mil FA next year.