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    srsly

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    Pros:
    1. Leonard gets more time on the court.
    2. SJax is a proven playoff performer.
    3. SJax has some of the swagger the Spurs need.
    4. Already knows the system so his learning curve should be short.
    5. Saves the Spurs over $11 million that would have been paid in the amnesty.

    Cons:
    1. Kills cap space for next year since he cannot be amnestied.
    2. Give up a #1 pick in what is generally considered a deep draft.
    3. Doesn't fill a need: back up PG or Big.
    4. SJax's skills have been rapidly declining.
    5. Potential issues because the Spurs surely won't give him the extension he was angling for in Milwaukee.

    Overall, I don't like this trade from a basketball standpoint. I think it was done primarily for Pro #5. The Spurs basically gave up Cap space and a #1 pick in order save the $11 million plus. I understand that and from a BB standpoint I can live with it (as if I had a choice) if 1. the Spurs get Lorbek at a Splitter-like contract. 2. The Spurs knew that when Duncan re-signs it won't be for mid-level type money so they probably weren't going to get a significant FA anyway. Now let's hope Kaman gets bought out and likes Mexican food!

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    Neither team would do the deal. As a fan, I'd be happy with the trade ... even though it's doubtful it'd make the Spurs any better.
    so many dumb know it all people in here

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    The Bucks aren't taking RJ back.

    RJ will be a Spur until they use the amnesty on him.
    lol another smartass

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    Everyone who said the Bucks never would have taken RJ back were right.

    The trade to GS opened up an opportunity for the Spurs that they jumped on.

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    Russo, did the Spurs trade with the Bucks? Those who were wrong were the ones who said RJ is flat out untradeable regardless of the situation. Even then that was a widely held belief and it's really surprising the cir stances that allowed this to happen.

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    so many dumb know it all people in here
    You realize that you're making yourself look like a gigantic idiot right?

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    Is SJax going to be OK with Leonard eating into his minutes or event starting over him? The guy still needs to work on being a true professional.

    On the plus side his contract comes of the books next year and is more tradeable. Plus he's a proven playoff performer and better compe or and playmaker. He also offers some insurance if Manu gets hurt.

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    Wasn't with the bucks DPG but it was RJ for Jackson like i said. And angelbelow no it's you who looks like the smartass know it all idiot now, looking back over your comments to say it wont happen and rj isnt going anywhere, too bad

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    so many dumb know it all people in here
    Milwaukee still wouldn't do the deal. Thanks for the comic irony, though.

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    Pros - Richard Jefferson gets to live in an area where assless chaps are no longer frowned upon.

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    Few of the Jax lovers ever go look up his stats

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jacksst02.html.

    The guy is a .41% FG shooter for his career (low average for a SG/SF and barely passable .337 3pt shooter for his career. His best 3pt percentage year was only .36% so he's relied on shooting A LOT to build up his scoring average and that can (and has) create problems when he becomes a black hole where the ball goes in and never comes out.

    He's been on nine teams and never was happy and eventually all of them were unhappy with him. He will continue to act immaturely here and will be a cancer in the lockeroom. What were Buford and Pop thinking?

    How's that for a con?

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    Few of the Jax lovers ever go look up his stats

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jacksst02.html.

    The guy is a .41% FG shooter for his career (low average for a SG/SF and barely passable .337 3pt shooter for his career. His best 3pt percentage year was only .36% so he's relied on shooting A LOT to build up his scoring average and that can (and has) create problems when he becomes a black hole where the ball goes in and never comes out.

    He's been on nine teams and never was happy and eventually all of them were unhappy with him. He will continue to act immaturely here and will be a cancer in the lockeroom. What were Buford and Pop thinking?

    How's that for a con?
    Just hope he's on his best behavior and learns to be more efficient on offense. He also adds more compe iveness to the team in the playoffs. And if it doesn't work out the Spurs will have his expiring contract as a trade chip.

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    Russo, did the Spurs trade with the Bucks? Those who were wrong were the ones who said RJ is flat out untradeable regardless of the situation. Even then that was a widely held belief and it's really surprising the cir stances that allowed this to happen.
    I think this deal can possibly be a seen as a win regardless of whether SJax is >= RJ because the Spurs have a more trade friendly contract as opposed to one that was virtually untradeable.

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    Few of the Jax lovers ever go look up his stats

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jacksst02.html.

    The guy is a .41% FG shooter for his career (low average for a SG/SF and barely passable .337 3pt shooter for his career. His best 3pt percentage year was only .36% so he's relied on shooting A LOT to build up his scoring average and that can (and has) create problems when he becomes a black hole where the ball goes in and never comes out.

    He's been on nine teams and never was happy and eventually all of them were unhappy with him. He will continue to act immaturely here and will be a cancer in the lockeroom. What were Buford and Pop thinking?

    How's that for a con?
    Jefferson's career 3P% got a lot higher since he came to the Spurs. If you compare his 3P% for the rest of his career to SJax, they are pretty close to the same. I've said this elsewhere, but IF SJax sat in the corner and shot nothing but uncontested 3's, I bet his percentage would go up similar to Jefferson's.

    But here's a stat that's really worth noting. Jefferson's career 3P% is .371 - but his career playoff 3P% is .309. If you're building a team for the regular season RJ is a great choice.

    I can't disagree, though, that his at ude is the single biggest thing that will determine whether this was a great trade, or a really bad trade. If he really buys into the system, he won't be chucking up so many bad shots, either, and that will automatically make him a more efficient player. If he tries to force himself into the position of being the go-to guy, or if he tries to prove a point about how the Spurs never should have let him go before (he's capable of both) then he could be worse for the team than RJ even.

    I don't think there will be any middle ground.

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    Few of the Jax lovers ever go look up his stats

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jacksst02.html.

    The guy is a .41% FG shooter for his career (low average for a SG/SF and barely passable .337 3pt shooter for his career. His best 3pt percentage year was only .36% so he's relied on shooting A LOT to build up his scoring average and that can (and has) create problems when he becomes a black hole where the ball goes in and never comes out.

    He's been on nine teams and never was happy and eventually all of them were unhappy with him. He will continue to act immaturely here and will be a cancer in the lockeroom. What were Buford and Pop thinking?

    How's that for a con?
    Few of the people who look at stats ever saw Jack play for the Spurs.

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    Few of the Jax lovers ever go look up his stats

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jacksst02.html.

    The guy is a .41% FG shooter for his career (low average for a SG/SF and barely passable .337 3pt shooter for his career. His best 3pt percentage year was only .36% so he's relied on shooting A LOT to build up his scoring average and that can (and has) create problems when he becomes a black hole where the ball goes in and never comes out.

    He's been on nine teams and never was happy and eventually all of them were unhappy with him. He will continue to act immaturely here and will be a cancer in the lockeroom. What were Buford and Pop thinking?

    How's that for a con?
    He worked out in the 03 playoffs though so hey maybe he can help again! Forget a %, what did Horry shoot career from three? But when it mattered he came through, something Jefferson will never do.
    Few of the people who look at stats ever saw Jack play for the Spurs.
    I agree.
    Last edited by Sean Cagney; 03-15-2012 at 10:48 PM.

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    Who cares if Jax sucks basketball wise? Spurs weren't doing Jack with RJ around, so they don't lose anything. Only upside.

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    Who cares if Jax sucks basketball wise? Spurs weren't doing Jack with RJ around, so they don't lose anything. Only upside.
    I would hardly say he sucks, he had some very good years too. I agree though if he did suck here, what did do besides suck?

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    lol @ trying to use SJax's shooting percentage as an indication of how well he will do on the Spurs. You trying to tell me the looks he was getting in G-State/Charlotte/Milwaukee were even in the same realm as of what he'll be looking at now?

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