What is Tim Duncan's religion?

[underdawg]

lol the history channel. don't they do stuff on crop circles and the like?

regardless, read the bolded. you're still missing the point.

Look - I'm not saying the southerners didn't call themselves or believe they were Christians. However, their actions did not reflect the teachings of Jesus and there were Christians in the north that understood that.

The bad actions of people that call themselves Christians do not make the Bible untrue. There are many in America that say they are Christians, but their actions do not reflect the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[Yuixafun]

Was it reasonable to believe man would sin? If God is omniscient, he would have know that man would sin and up.



God hates sin, yet in his omniscience, he created man knowing that he would sin......in essence purposely creating something that he hates.

Pretty ed up, imo.



Why didn't God create a man with free will that wouldn't up?

Why dangle that apple?

If God created man so he wouldn't up, that means God is controlling the results of your actions? Which means... there is no free will.
Also... God can be all powerful and all knowing... but why does God need to be perfect?
God not being perfect would explain a lot.

Maybe God created us just to see what would happen.

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I was wary of coming into this thread, and for the first few pages I was surprised because it stayed on topic, and it was enjoyable to see people's whimsical thoughts on a well loved players beliefs.

But then playful banter devolves into compe ions of egos. I see a lot of people quarreling instead of having healthy discussion.

I'd rather just talk and see if we can discover some truth, instead of trying to see who has the right answer.

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As far as thoughts of the Soul... I would say it exists.

I imagine it as a compass and sunlight.
It guides my self and gives it a direction to grow.
I can choose whether to follow or go someplace else.

When I have an experience there is a reaction to the results.
Maybe I do something that I feel is wrong, or that it's sinful.
Or maybe I just had an amazing moment.
What I feel or think due to the conflict or harmony as a result of an experience, is when I am most aware of my soul.
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Constant, status quo's - the things you know are the enemies of the things you don't... growth depends on nutrients - escape the loop you're in, skip the track and go off road! 
Fertilizer feeds the soil, crop yields... increase from amount of toils. What's the spoils? Live rich happiness is our inheritance become loving parents raise kids. Give all that you can give because life anyway is a gift.

[Blake]

Look - I'm not saying the southerners didn't call themselves or believe they were Christians. However, their actions did not reflect the teachings of Jesus and there were Christians in the north that understood that.

The bad actions of people that call themselves Christians do not make the Bible untrue. There are many in America that say they are Christians, but their actions do not reflect the teachings of Jesus Christ.

You're wearing a kilt, aren't you

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Look - I'm not saying the southerners didn't call themselves or believe they were Christians. However, their actions did not reflect the teachings of Jesus and there were Christians in the north that understood that.

The bad actions of people that call themselves Christians do not make the Bible untrue. There are many in America that say they are Christians, but their actions do not reflect the teachings of Jesus Christ.

and there is the 'true scotsman' argument. THOSE CHRISTIANS AREN'T REAL CHRISTIANS.

no that just how all christians were when slavery was considered normal which is all the way up until the 19th century.

and most of what you claim doesn't even come from jesus. it comes mostly from paul and john. then of course there is the old testament. the council of nice was a travesty.

the bible codified how to treat your slaves. which is true?

[pgardn]

Yes, I believe that God created living things seperately (in that they didn't evolve into another species) and I also believe that he designed each living organism to adapt to its environment.

As far as chemo or medicine or whatever you remarkably feel that Christians are opposed to, I will be the first to tell you that if I had a loved one with cancer and the doctors felt chemo was necessary I'd be for it. And for the record, I also take trips on those metal birds in the sky too.

So science has a very nice mechanism for macroevolution, yes very nice, and it does not involve the supernatural, but you choose the supernatural and forget the good science behind it because Evolution does not fit.

Do you know the Catholic Church has absolutely no problem with Evolution? Are Catholics still Christians, even though they choose the scientific explanation over the supernatural. Have the Popes and all their advisors (since 1959) read the bible inaccurately, but you got the real scoop?

[Blake]

If God created man so he wouldn't up, that means God is controlling the results of your actions? Which means... there is no free will.
Also... God can be all powerful and all knowing... but why does God need to be perfect?
God not being perfect would explain a lot.

Maybe God created us just to see what would happen.

We are talking about Bible God.

Matthew 5:48 says God is perfect

[pgardn]

Yes, I believe that God created living things seperately (in that they didn't evolve into another species) and I also believe that he designed each living organism to adapt to its environment.

So we have about 80,000 separate species of beetles. Any idea of why God was so fond of beetles?

75% of all animal species are arthropods. Insects, lobsters and crabs, millipedes, etc... were definitely on his mind.

No love for mammals at all based on number of species created.

[DMC]

Given your own explanation of where your morality comes from, a white guy in the 1800's with the same philosophy as you probably would not have been against slavery.

As a society, our morality has evolved how? Are families better, has crime gone down, are there less wars, are there less murders, are there less addicts, is there less child molestation, are there less poor?

Is the purpose of morality to make the world a better place to live?

Isn't the Christian stance on this that morality is a code ingrained into our beings by God himself in order to please God himself?

Is God pleased by a world that's a good place to live, and if so, why did he destroy it? People were ing in the streets, sounds ok to me.

[disciple]

Turn a blind eye to why you believe what you believe.

Never self examine and, never get in the deep end.

You call that 'twisting' my faith? Pretty shallow.

Come on, challenge what I believe.

[disciple]

Like what?

anything that lasts beyond our lives.

[disciple]

The implication again being that there is no free will in heaven because God is scared our free will will change it dramatically?

Blake,

Your anger is blocking your intelligence.

Where did I ever say ANYTHING about free will in heaven?

Follow along closer please.

[pgardn]

You call that 'twisting' my faith? Pretty shallow.

Come on, challenge what I believe.

I am not trying to twist your faith son. And I would never challenge what you believe.

I immediately think when trying to understand someone like you is:

"Do not try to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into."

So... None of this for you:

[all_heart]

I am not screwing around. I will admit that I ambivalent between theism and agnosticism but there is no doctrine as pertains God that I believe in. Sorry that you require someone to dictate what God is. I have no such inhibition.

So basically you are not sure what to believe in. From all your previous posts it seems you already made up your mind, at least towards Christianity. Hope you find yourself.

[pgardn]

So basically you are not sure what to believe in. From all your previous posts it seems you already made up your mind, at least towards Christianity. Hope you find yourself.

What exactly is wrong with admitting you are not sure? It may disturb you not to "find yourself", but it is highly possible that he is just fine saying he is not sure.

[all_heart]

What exactly is wrong with admitting you are not sure? It may disturb you not to "find yourself", but it is highly possible that he is just fine saying he is not sure.

If I understand his post correctly, he's undecided in what he believes. Who said there was anything wrong with that? If you go back and look at his posts, you can clearly see that he's at odds w/Christianity. Just stating a fact. I wasn't being a smartass when I said I hope he finds himself.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So basically you are not sure what to believe in. From all your previous posts it seems you already made up your mind, at least towards Christianity. Hope you find yourself.

No, I most definitely have made up my mind about Christianity. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bible is a book of fairy tales that have as much divine guidance as Aesop's Fables.

I'm very self aware of who i am, what I am capable of and what I am going to do. I don't need to believe a lie to do that. Sounds to me like you just do not know of any other way. Not knowing is not despair. Sorry.

[all_heart]

No, I most definitely have made up my mind about Christianity. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bible is a book of fairy tales that have as much divine guidance as Aesop's Fables.

I'm very self aware of who i am, what I am capable of and what I am going to do. I don't need to believe a lie to do that. Sounds to me like you just do not know of any other way. Not knowing is not despair. Sorry.

So to clarify, you are an atheist? If I'm wrong please break it down.

I realize there are other ways to be happy, but you make it seem you are not sure of what you believe in that specific post.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So to clarify, you are an atheist? If I'm wrong please break it down.

I'm not big on being labeled in your holy crusade for starters. I do not believe in the God of the Bible.

[all_heart]

I'm not big on being labeled in your holy crusade for starters. I do not believe in the God of the Bible.

I'm not trying to label you, it's just everybody else here has pretty much spelled out what they believe but you want to keep yourself a mystery.

[benfti]

What is Patty Mills religion is going to be an interesting thread

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What is Patty Mills religion is going to be an interesting thread

Is it aboriginal?

[DMC]

anything that lasts beyond our lives.

Like our debt?

[benfti]

Is it aboriginal?

indeed, known as The Dreaming.

The basis of the belief is that at the beginning of the dreaming the world was a baron and features plain, and the great spirit enlisted a giant rainbow serpent to shape the land.

Its fascinating stuff.

edit. I assume its his religion, as he is most certainly Australian Aboriginal. He did go to a Catholic Collage though???

[FuzzyLumpkins]

indeed, known as The Dreaming.

The basis of the belief is that at the beginning of the dreaming the world was a baron and features plain, and the great spirit enlisted a giant rainbow serpent to shape the land.

Its fascinating stuff.

edit. I assume its his religion, as he is most certainly Australian Aboriginal. He did go to a Catholic Collage though???

Do they eat anything to assist the dream state? I know a lot of S. American tribes do similar things but the eat yage and the like to assist.

You also seem much more tolerant of aborigines than most aussies i know.

[benfti]

Do they eat anything to assist the dream state? I know a lot of S. American tribes do similar things but the eat yage and the like to assist.

You also seem much more tolerant of aborigines than most aussies i know.

nah, its more an natural thing. The dream time is more just how they refer to their history.

Im probably more tolerant than the average because my parents are migrants (dutch) and I am well the aborigines were here first (50 million years first) and that needs to be respected. Not many other countries on earth have that sort of ties to their lands heritage.